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Verified sources close to Rocket Chainsaw have detailed performance and rendering quality of both the Xbox One and PlayStation builds of Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. And for that we
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I guess that random website would know more than one of the developers

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-17-tomb-raider-finally-achieved-profitability-by-the-end-of-last-year

 

Of course, Tomb Raider's upgraded Definitive Edition for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One will help the title head even further past that line of profitability. But Amos dismissed the suggestion that it was a Square Enix-backed scheme to quickly boost sales further.

"This was in the bag and on the way even before anything happened with sales expectations..."

Tomb Raider executive producer Scot Amos

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The Definitive Edition will be 1080p, 30FPS on both PS4 and Xbox One, Amos said.

 

 

 

 

FUD via NeoGAF, who'd have thunk it?

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I guess that random website would know more than one of the developers

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-17-tomb-raider-finally-achieved-profitability-by-the-end-of-last-year

 

 

FUD via NeoGAF, who'd have thunk it?

 

 

IGN confirms it running at 60fps.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/01/23/tomb-raider-definitive-edition-runs-at-60fps-on-ps4

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The Xbox One has a weaker GPU and on top of that it runs three separate OS"s and uses 10% of its resources for the Kinect alone. It also reserves memory for snap features and runs Windows 8 which isn't a light OS.

 

No one should really be surprised that the PS4 can run games faster and/or can have better graphics, we've know hardware specs for quite a while.

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Hooray? Most of the market still doesn't care. This whole debate is so old the horse is unrecognizable.
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Regardless, series producer Scot Amos recently appeared on a GamesRadar live stream to put the questions to bed. "From the beginning, our absolute requirement was gameplay at 1080p and a minimum of 30FPS
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It's a known fact the PS4 is more powerful than the One and more and more games are starting to use the extra power.

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This thread will hit 50 pages soon with Xbox fans claiming that 30fps is better. Wait and see lol

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Hooray? Most of the market still doesn't care. This whole debate is so old the horse is unrecognizable.

 

But if it was the opposite.. I bet you would be saying: 

"Everyone talks about how the ps4 has better hardware.. yet the xbone can run 60fps.. wheres your better hardware now?"

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But if it was the opposite.. I bet you would be saying:

"Everyone talks about how the ps4 has better hardware.. yet the xbone can run 60fps.. wheres your better hardware now?"


First of all, that premise is ridiculous, and second, no. But please derail the thread some more with your nonsense.
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But if it was the opposite.. I bet you would be saying: 

"Everyone talks about how the ps4 has better hardware.. yet the xbone can run 60fps.. wheres your better hardware now?"

I think at this point it is still way to early for either console to really stretch their muscles. I think give it a year or two and then we will really see if the PS4's hardware is as good as it looks on paper.

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Those people who prefer FPS to resolution will be disappointed in the direction the devs went i guess.

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Those people who prefer FPS to resolution will be disappointed in the direction the devs went i guess.

If there was a choice, I've always preferred 720p @ 60 fps than 1080p @ 30 fps but that's just me.

 

Probably because I've always been a PC gamer, so 60 fps is the usual and long-standing holy grail for us :)

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I think at this point it is still way to early for either console to really stretch their muscles. I think give it a year or two and then we will really see if the PS4's hardware is as good as it looks on paper.

 

If games are already running faster and have better graphics on the PS4 then optimization is only going to make the gap bigger. Games improve over time with better hardware optimization but that is exponential to the hardware specs. 

Seeing the advantage so early when both systems were released at the same time and according to many on this forum Microsoft being the better software company doesnt seem like the waiting game will help you here.

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If games are already running faster and have better graphics on the PS4 then optimization is only going to make the gap bigger. Games improve over time with better hardware optimization but that is exponential to the hardware specs. 

Seeing the advantage so early when both systems were released at the same time and according to many on this forum Microsoft being the better software company doesnt seem like the waiting game will help you here.

I really don't think that's true when you consider last generation.  The PS3's games at launch looked very poor compared to the 360's.

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By the end of the generation they were looking on par with each other.

 

That being said I don't think that will be the case this generation.  While I do think the gap will get smaller, the PS4 will probably keep the lead in graphics performance.  On the other hand, I think the Xbox will leap ahead in functionality.  I would probably prefer 720@60 than 1080@30 but it's a marketing game and people make big deals about numbers.  I can't see the difference when I'm playing between 720 and 1080.

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I really don't think that's true when you consider last generation.  The PS3's games looked very poor compared to the 360's.

lostplanetcomparisonpiccz3.jpg

 

By the end of the generation they were looking on par with each other.

 

That being said I don't think that will be the case this generation.  While I do think the gap will get smaller, the PS4 will probably keep the lead in graphics performance.  On the other hand, I think the Xbox will leap ahead in functionality.  I would probably prefer 720@60 than 1080@30 but it's a marketing game and people make big deals about numbers.  I can't see the difference when I'm playing between 720 and 1080.

 

Last generation the systems were so widely different from each other on the inside. Much more comparable to each other this gen, with the PC like architectures. Do keep that in mind whenever the PS3 with CELL is brought up.

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Last generation the systems were so widely different from each other on the inside. Much more comparable to each other this gen, with the PC like architectures. Do keep that in mind whenever the PS3 with CELL is brought up.

That's true.  Like I said, I think the PS4 will remain the graphics champion, but I think the gap will lessen over time.

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The PS4 has a better graphics chip, but that alone doesn't explain the performance difference, I'd probably put it down to inexperience or issues with the SDK.

Edit: Or rather, the performance difference wouldn't account for such a large difference in rendering performance.

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If games are already running faster and have better graphics on the PS4 then optimization is only going to make the gap bigger. Games improve over time with better hardware optimization but that is exponential to the hardware specs. 

Seeing the advantage so early when both systems were released at the same time and according to many on this forum Microsoft being the better software company doesnt seem like the waiting game will help you here.

I'm not saying otherwise, however, what I am saying is that given the consoles another year or two and the games that are only making 30fps on the XB1 may be able to achieve 60fps more often than they are at the moment. I have said this many times before in these sections, I don't buy consoles because i want the best graphics, imo if that's what you are interested in then PC's are the better way forward. I bought my XB1 for the games and if PS4 graphically out performs the XB1 this generation then congrats to Sony on making it work for cheaper!

IMO in the last generation, MS closed what seemed to be a hardware difference with software. It doesn't look like Sony have this issue and if anything MS has rushed an unfinished XB1 out the door that they are now having to deal with OS and useability issues before they can even start to think of true optimisation and take advantage of the power they do have.

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I'm not saying otherwise, however, what I am saying is that given the consoles another year or two and the games that are only making 30fps on the XB1 may be able to achieve 60fps more often than they are at the moment. I have said this many times before in these sections, I don't buy consoles because i want the best graphics, imo if that's what you are interested in then PC's are the better way forward. I bought my XB1 for the games and if PS4 graphically out performs the XB1 this generation then congrats to Sony on making it work for cheaper!

IMO in the last generation, MS closed what seemed to be a hardware difference with software. It doesn't look like Sony have this issue and if anything MS has rushed an unfinished XB1 out the door that they are now having to deal with OS and useability issues before they can even start to think of true optimisation and take advantage of the power they do have.

Actually I hadn't thought of this before, but if the Xbox is doing 1080@30 and then optimizations get it to 1080@60 then where do they go from there?  They won't do 4K (I believe) this generation so will anything faster than 60 make a difference?  Maybe once the Xbox is optimized they will reach the target ceiling of 1080@60.

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That's true.  Like I said, I think the PS4 will remain the graphics champion, but I think the gap will lessen over time.

 

The scenario has to look at how each will progress along a scale. Does the PS4 not improve (pretty much impossible, there's always improvement), or not improve at as steady a rate as the One to allow the gap to lessen?

 

I think you'll see resolution/frame rate catch ups on the One side, but then you'll have the comparisons of texture quality and all the other graphical features. You can bump resolution and even frame rate if texture quality is dropped for example, it's not as simple as time will = higher resolution and FPS and all the other components will at least remain on par (texture quality/LOD/shadow and lighting).

 

Right now I think Square have decided lets hit 1080p after most of the comparing so far this gen has been resolutiongate. Maybe 900p would have hit 60FPS, but they've made the choice of 1080p.

 

Either way simply hitting 1080/60FPS doesn't in any shape or form mean the maximum "level" has been hit, realistic lighting has always been a challenge and a hellish task to pull off well. Comparisons will carry on long after the One puts out more 1080/60 games, and I'm sure it will do that.

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Regardless, series producer Scot Amos recently appeared on a GamesRadar live stream to put the questions to bed. "From the beginning, our absolute requirement was gameplay at 1080p and a minimum of 30FPS

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I really don't think that's true when you consider last generation.  The PS3's games looked very poor compared to the 360's.

 

 

By the end of the generation they were looking on par with each other.

 

That being said I don't think that will be the case this generation.  While I do think the gap will get smaller, the PS4 will probably keep the lead in graphics performance.  On the other hand, I think the Xbox will leap ahead in functionality.  I would probably prefer 720@60 than 1080@30 but it's a marketing game and people make big deals about numbers.  I can't see the difference when I'm playing between 720 and 1080.

 

Your post really just reinforces what I wrote in mine. The games will look better on both consoles with better optimization but will eventually hit a point where they will hit a peak set by the hardware specs. Also the PS3 was released a year after the 360, 360 had a years lead for optimization. They were both released at the same time this gen and PS4 already has faster and/or better graphics. Sony (PS3) shaved off a year and caught up to the graphics performance (and in my opinion exceeded, example games like Last of Us) of the Xbox (360) so imagine what will happen now that it was released at the same time, is already better and has a higher specs cap even before the Xbox One reserved compute power for Kinect, OS's and features like Snap?

 

As for the 60fps thing, this thread is about Tomb Raider running at 60fps on the PS4 and only 30fps on the Xbox One.

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Awful requirement. The absolute requirement should be 60fps then see what kind of resolution you can push from there. Not the other way around.

 

Again, why?  The vast majority of people that will buy consoles and play these games don't care about those numbers so long as it looks nice and is a good game. Doesn't make sense from a business perspective to expend resources trying to go all out when the group of people that will really appreciate it is so tiny.

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Hello,

Why is anyone talking about this? Why isnt anyone talking about the game?

Just the thread title itself...

So the PS4 doubles its FPS. Is it or its users gonna get a prize or something? :laugh: Im glad Sony did a great job with the PS4; MS beat them in the previous gen so now its Sony's turn :)

Come on, its just getting silly.
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