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#1 Andrew

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 19:05

Shadow of Mordor Accused of Using Assassin's Creed II Code

A former Ubisoft developer thinks aspects of the new Lord of the Rings game look especially familiar.
 

by Chris Pereira
January 23, 2014
 

A former Ubisoft developer who worked on the first two Assassin's Creed games is claiming that the latest Lord of the Rings game, Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, appears to be using code and animations from Assassin's Creed II.

 

Charles Randall shared his suspicions on Twitter today following the release of a trailer for Shadow of Mordor, a new open-world game set in the Lord of the Rings universe. Linking to the debut trailer seen below,

 

Randall joked, "Check it out guys! I apparently made a Middle Earth game!" He followed this up with a series of tweets expanding on what he meant, first stating, "Seriously, can someone tell me how Assassin's Creed 2 code and assets are in this Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor game?"

 

Randall said he believes work he did for Assassin's Creed II could be seen on display in the trailer released today, including "code/anim[ation] for sure." He pointed out that he's aware he has no legal claim to his work, but did say he hopes to be acknowledged in the game's credits.

 

Combat and air assassinations are among the aspects of Assassin's Creed that Randall worked on while at Ubisoft. When it was pointed out the game resembles the Batman: Arkham games more than Assassin's Creed, he responded, "I spent two years staring at AC2. I know it when I see it."

 

In his tweets, Randall didn't bash Shadow of Mordor; in fact, he expressed enthusiasm for it and the prospect of the Assassin's Creed engine being licensed out to other developers. However, there is as of yet no indication that this is what's happened. Shadow of Mordor is being developed for PC and next-generation consoles by Monolith Productions, the developer of FEAR, Condemned, Gotham City Impostors, and Guardians of Middle-Earth.

 

IGN has reached out to both Ubisoft and Shadow of Mordor publisher Warner Bros. to confirm Randall's claims and will report back with any information we receive.

 

http://uk.ign.com/ar...s-creed-ii-code

 

 

 

A Monolith dev spoke to EG about the resemblence earlier this week:

 

UPDATE:

Middle-earth: Shadows of Mordor design director Michael de Plater has said an Assassin's Creed vibe "definitely wasn't something we were consciously going for".

 

He made those comments to Wesley Yin-Poole at a game-specific event earlier this week - that is, before the AC comparisons were publicly made.

 

You may also recognise de Plater's name, given that he used to work at Ubisoft as creative director before joining Warner Bros. and Monolith to work on Shadows of Mordor. But de Plater worked with Ubisoft in Montpelier: he didn't work on Assassin's Creed.

When asked about the influence of the Assassin's Creed games, de Plater replied:

 

"We didn't think much about them at all. We just wanted to do a third-person, open-world action adventure. And then now, just by the time you have stealth and melee combat and you're hunting guys behind enemy lines, the comparisons maybe come out at that point. It definitely wasn't something we were consciously going for."

 

What about climbing around and working your way through a hierarchy of enemies before you get to your real, final target? That's very similar to Assassin's Creed.

 

"Clearly assassinating highly ranked enemies is a key part [of Shadows of Mordor]," he answered. "And lots of games have that as well. It's not just Assassin's Creed. Lots of games have you hunt guys down from hierarchies of enemies."

 

De Plater and Monolith wanted to "change that up for next-gen", make it freer and more personal. The game's Nemesis system is the result. It has you meet enemies time and time again, build a relationship with them, and the satisfaction of the long kill is well worth it, he suggested. "Even just the first time someone realises an enemy in the game actually remembers them..."

 

De Plater got involved with the project at the start, after getting in touch with Warner Bros. because he was excited about the IP because The Hobbit film was coming out. Shadows of Mordor has been in development for quite a long time then, and Monolith has churned out a couple of smaller games - Gotham City Imposters, Guardians of Middle-earth - to tide things over and keep nosey noses away.

 

"It's a lot of work," de Plater said. "Open-world games are tough. ... no-one knew this was happening."

 

http://www.eurogamer...or-similarities

 

Looks like more than code/animations were used IMO. Whole game comes across as an AC clone with super powers. Still looks good though, which I don't say lightly. LOTR games have typically been awful in the past IMO




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Posted 25 January 2014 - 00:46

Stolen code or not, that game really looks great!

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 00:59

Yeah, it seems to me that he is right.

 

 

And I think this game is waaaay better then AC2



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:05

Yeah, it seems to me that he is right.

 

 

And I think this game is waaaay better then AC2

 

better or not (AC2 is from 2009), the fact is that this game is using (suspected) intellectual property from another company doesn't make it right; assets and animations are things that are easily found, code not so much.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:24

better or not (AC2 is from 2009), the fact is that this game is using (suspected) intellectual property from another company doesn't make it right; assets and animations are things that are easily found, code not so much.

It is true code is not ok to steal but what i wonder is if they coded something that works the same but it is not the same code then it should be alright. That could be what is happening here. Different code but same results.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:30

does have a very AC Feel to it that's for sure.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:31

Well, WoW copied from the LoTR movies, making a few changes (amongst others) an no one complained, what's the big deal?



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:39

Well, WoW copied from the LoTR movies, making a few changes (amongst others) an no one complained, what's the big deal?

 

it's not about story.. it's about taking another game, reskinning it and calling it your own (again.. many companies do this).



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:39

Well, WoW copied from the LoTR movies, making a few changes (amongst others) an no one complained, what's the big deal?

 

They used assets from another game and not only that but this LoTR game does look very similar to AC2; if this is true then it's not "inspired by" but a real copyright case, since they used the same assets from another game.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:41

They used assets from another game and not only that but this LoTR game does look very similar to AC2; if this is true then it's not "inspired by" but a real copyright case, since they used the same assets from another game.

Fair enough,

(on a personal note, thank you for your explanation, it's nice to be able to ask a question and not get ripped into for not understanding :) )


it's not about story.. it's about taking another game, reskinning it and calling it your own (again.. many companies do this).

Ahh, ok thank you :)



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:42

At the very least, it looks heavily inspired by the Assassin's Creed games.

It actually looks pretty good.  Unfortunately for me, I have zero interest in the LOTR universe. 



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:55

Fair enough,

(on a personal note, thank you for your explanation, it's nice to be able to ask a question and not get ripped into for not understanding :) )


Ahh, ok thank you :)

 

you're welcome :)



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:58

It looks like they took animations and mechanics from AC2 as well.



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:11

Have to agree looks like they took climbing and stealth animations, not to mention the rooftop design.

And yeh game does look good.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:14

That looks very similar to AC2..