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Hi guy's

 

Im new to this forum, first post  :)

 

Im looking to setup a VLAN on my router 'HG533' can any one help?

 

Thank you.

 

- Liam

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Well i am pretty sure a consumer router like the HG533 doesn't support VLANs and are you wanting to segment your internal network with VLANs or whats the purpose?

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Yeah if that supported vlans I would really surprised..

In the crap manual I found for it
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/support/manuals/detail/index.htm?id=13997

There is no mention of vlan, and since its a gateway adsl modem/router I doubt you could put something like dd-wrt on it that support vlans.

I agree Max Error, what exactly are you try to accomplish and we can work out how you can do that.

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Thank you for your replies, The story is when my daughter is watching youtube video's on her iphone and she's only got 2 bar wifi signal and Im playing online 'Xbox360' I lag like mad, but when she's got 3 bar signal it's fine, someone did say I need to setup VLAN's or QOS, so my 'Xbox360' as main priority over the rest of the connection's,

Im thinking about buying a unmanged switch, cheap one

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Vlans have nothing to with that.

Is your xbox wireless as well? Wireless is shared bandwidth.. So if you have someone really talking slow it slows down everyone.

Like a sidewalk - if the guy in front of you is walking, you can not run now can you. And there is no way to pass him.

QOS will not help you in this case at all, nor would vlans. 2 different wireless networks would help.

How are they devices actually connected to the network. And yeah I would go with actual switch and wires vs powerline adapters if that is an option for you.
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VLANS are not the answer here.

 

Is the 360 on WiFi also? your daughters iPhone signal seeming to correlate with your lag disappearing is odd, but I'm going to guess at a purely WiFi issue on the radio interference side of things (channels overlapping).

 

Do you have a few WiFi networks in Range?

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wouldnt cabling the xbox work better? or trying a different wireless channel?

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Yeah it's connected via wireless, there's no way of connecting to the router via ethernet, I will try out a switch and see what happen's, I can only try  :D

 

When you say two wireless network's do you mean a 'access point' with a old router?

 

Yeah Im on channel 6, and the other WLAN's are all on 1-11 so Im on my own.

 

Thank you

 

- Liam

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Yeah it's connected via wireless, there's no way of connecting to the router via ethernet, I will try out a switch and see what happen's, I can only try  :D

 

When you say two wireless network's do you mean a 'access point' with a old router?

 

Yeah Im on channel 6, and the other WLAN's are all on 1-11 so Im on my own.

 

Thank you

 

- Liam

 

You might find that a cheap pair of Ethernet power line adapters will be just as cheap as buying a switch and less hassle for you.

 

Plug one power line adapter into the socket next to your xbox, connect the ethernet from the xbox into the powerline adapter.

Then where your router is, connect another powerline adapter and ethernet from that to your router. 

 

 

http://www.tp-link.com/common/subject/powerline/TL-PA211/

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I've got 3 powerline adaptore's, powerline 1 is connected to my router via ethernet downstaires, powerline two is connected to my 'youview box' via ethernet upstaires, powerline 3 is connected to another youview box upstaires, son's room,

 

I was thinking about buying a switch, so I have powerline 1 connected to the main router, powerline 2 connected a switch so then I can have my youview and xbox and blue ray into the switch via powerline 2.

 

Thank you

 

- Liam

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Powerline adapters (when they work great) Are much better than Wireless, I would go with the cheap switch idea you had you just posted with the third Powerline adapter. 

 

Also, what speed powerline adapters do you use? I would invest in 500Mbit/s versions.

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I've got 3 powerline adaptore's, powerline 1 is connected to my router via ethernet downstaires, powerline two is connected to my 'youview box' via ethernet upstaires, powerline 3 is connected to another youview box upstaires, son's room,

 

I was thinking about buying a switch, so I have powerline 1 connected to the main router, powerline 2 connected a switch so then I can have my youview and xbox and blue ray into the switch via powerline 2.

 

Thank you

 

- Liam

I would go with that solution if I were you. Get your xbox off the wireless and you should be fine. 

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Thank you guy's for your replies, I will now invest in a switch.

 

Just another fort before I go and look for one of ebay, Won't I get the same performance with my spare 'HG533' router setup as a AP?, My main router ip 192.168.1.1 the AP ip 192.168.1.1, I then change this to 192.168.1.99 for example, then I turn off DCHP on the Ap, then following, 'Firewall' 'UPNP'  as I won't need any of these as my main router will do all of it, Then I put the AP into bridge mode, with DCHP passthrough enabled. Then basically its same as a switch? or am I wrong?, Then I can chose to have it as a access point with wireless or a switch and a access point with wireless?

 

But with the access point, My main router will have to be on channel 6, I cant change this to any other channel, esp channel 1 & 11, channel 1 gives me slow throughput and channel 11 just dosn't work at all, it connected to it then about 5 minutes later its disapares, no 1 is useing channel 11 around me as  its effecting them as well very strange I know, so I was thinking, Main router channel (6) access point channel (1) the reason I've got with one is that the AP will not be in range with other networks as it will be upstaires back room? with this still roam ok being the main router on channel (6) and AP channel (1)

 

Thank you

 

- Liam

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you could, potentially, use the spare router as just another AP. You would have to make sure you actually configured it that way and didn't use it in router/NAT mode. Adding another AP really just clogs up the radio spectrum more and could potentially cause greater problems. I would almost bet money that it would not give you the performance you want. If i was you i would go wired all the way seen as your gaming on it and have a pretty good FTTC internet connection. That will give you reliable performance, good speeds and a rock steady connection..... all for hardly any money. 

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Thank you for your help, I don't have to use it as a wireless AP, I can just use it as a switch with Wireless turned off?.

 

- Liam

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Thank you for your help, I don't have to use it as a wireless AP, I can just use it as a switch with Wireless turned off?.

 

- Liam

 

potentially yeah, there are switched ports there. However then you get into ground where your gonna have to watch your default gateway IP's etc as that router is gonna want to grab anything it can and put out the wan port. A straight switch would need no configuraing and would "just work"

 

Go router admin panel login then command create VLAN it by default chek all VLAN

 

#show vlan

VLAN Name Status Ports
---- -------------------------------- --------- ------------
1 default active Gi1/0/1, Gi1/0/2, Gi1/0/3, Gi1/0/4
Gi1/0/5, Gi1/0/6, Gi1/0/7, Gi1/0/8

 

next

 

config t
vlan 192
interface range gigabitEthernet 1/0/3-6
switchport access vlan 192
exit

 

show command it will show youre created VLAN

 

think your misunderdstanding......... he has a huwai consumer router... not am ios router.

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"default gateway IP's etc as that router is gonna want to grab anything it can and put out the wan port."

What?? No -- that is why you turn off its dhcp server when you want to use as just switch or AP. Its even possible have option to use the wan port as just switch port.

[attachment=356813:wanaslan.png]

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The only traffic its going to try and send out its wan, would be traffic sent to its lan IP as a gateway.. It is quite common to just use a wireless router as just switch ports or switchports bridged to wireless (AP).. And very simple - just disable its dhcp server and connect it to your network via one of its lan ports.. Shazam switch or AP.

BTW there was another thread about setting gateways on AP, if anyone asks the reason I need them set on mine is my wireless is a different segment than my wired so if I want to be able to access the web gui it needs to know how to get off its 192.168.2.0/24 network so I can talk to it from the 192.168.1.0/24 network.

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Hmm.. assuming this is an off the shelf consumer router, turning off DHCP will not turn it into a switch and it most likely won't let you use its WAN port as a switch port. Budman has demonstrated that this is possible but only with a WRT which supports custom firmware, Save yourself a boatload of hassle and use a cheap wired switch.

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" turning off DHCP will not turn it into a switch "

Dude what?? Every single wireless router out there -- I mean every single one can be used as just a switch and wireless AP.. Just do not use the WAN port, and turn off its dhcp server. What soho router does not allow you to turn off its dhcp server?

As to use wan port as part of the switch bridged to the wireless - its true maybe native firmware does not support that. But does not matter. Just connect to your network with lan port.

What do you think wireless router is? Here is a typical diagram of any soho wireless router.

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That is from a wrt, but pretty much that is every one on the market.. You have switch connected to a chip that does router functions and a wireless chip bridged to the switch.

If you don't use the wan port your just bridged to the wireless, if you turn off the wireless is just a dumb switch.

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Thank you for your replies guy's.

 

I've now configured a spare 'HG533' into a switch, very straight forward, Im just not useing the the WAN port, but Im useing all the other 4 port's succesfuly  :D

 

Powerline Adaptor 'Port 1' ..  Youview TV 'Port 2'  ..  Xbox 360 'Port 3'  .. Blue Ray Player 'Port 4' 

 

Main router IP 192.168.1.1

 

Switch/OldRouter IP 192.168.1.2 - DCHP turn off, 'Firewall off' , 'UPNP off'

 

Main router DCHP - changed from 192.168.1.2 ..to.. 192.168.1.3 so its not conflicting with my Switch/OldRouter  :D

 

Let me know if I've done anything wrong, all working good so far without any Issue's all port's are working fine.

 

Thank you

 

-Liam

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" turning off DHCP will not turn it into a switch "

Dude what?? Every single wireless router out there -- I mean every single one can be used as just a switch and wireless AP.. Just do not use the WAN port, and turn off its dhcp server. What soho router does not allow you to turn off its dhcp server?

As to use wan port as part of the switch bridged to the wireless - its true maybe native firmware does not support that. But does not matter. Just connect to your network with lan port.

What do you think wireless router is? Here is a typical diagram of any soho wireless router.

attachicon.gifwirelessrouter.png

That is from a wrt, but pretty much that is every one on the market.. You have switch connected to a chip that does router functions and a wireless chip bridged to the switch.

If you don't use the wan port your just bridged to the wireless, if you turn off the wireless is just a dumb switch.

 

Interesting :)

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Interesting??  What did you think the 4 lan ports on your wirelessr router were??  Dude it has been like this since wireless routers first came out, shoot even before wireless, like one of the first wired soho routers the befrs41

 

Look at their names..

http://support.linksys.com/en-us/support/routers/BEFSR41

Cable/DSL router with 4 port switch

 

Look switch right in its name, which is most wireless routers names as well.  Here from the manual of the tp-link new AC1750 "router"

 

http://www.tp-link.us/resources/document/Archer_C7_V1_User_Guide.pdf

The Archer C7 AC1750 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router integrates 4-port Switch, Firewall, NAT-router and Wireless AP. Powered by 3x3 MIMO technology.

 

What did you think the 4 lan ports were??

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