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#1111 trooper11

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 17:07

The same way the differences were blown out of proportion last gen, yes? Only this gen the differences are far bigger.

Funny how people aren't enjoying it this time round.


Are you saying its ok to blow it out of proportion because it had been done before?

Or are you saying that no one is blowing it out of proportion now, but everyone was doing that back then?

Plus, weren't there people that didn't enjoy it last time around too?

It just seems like you guys want to fight over consoles. Its a fun pastime for some people. They don't want to put an end to it.

 

You can't be serious?! :| Of course it is. Often the difference between one generation of GPU and another is 20% and that is considered significant, so a 50% difference is massive. You never get a new generation of processor or GPU that is twice as fast as the last; you never even get one that is 50% faster.


Well yeah, your right, I guess it would be then. GPUs often dont see that kind of jump from one generation to the next. I'm sorry to get that wrong. So it is massive after all.

There are games where the PS4 version is running twice as well, like Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes (more than twice the resolution), Murdered: Soul Suspect (twice the framerate), Call Of Duty: Ghosts (twice the resolution), Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition (twice the framerate). A 20% difference is significant, a 50% difference is massive and a 100% difference is ridiculous.


Lets be careful here though, are you claiming that 50% increase in GPU results in games that are 100% better? If anything, that illustrates what being the lead console development wise can do for you.

You're simply not being reasonable by claiming that a 50% difference isn't massive. The reason the XB1 is getting so much stick is because its performance is way below where it needs to be.


Your right, I was being unreasonable looking back at it now. It is a massive difference and its a serious issue. The Xb1 simply has too little power to compete, that much is obvious.
 
 

It is a well established fact that PS4 has better frame rates combined with higher visual fidelity and so far, despite's Microsoft's declarations, situation is the same.
 
Also to people not noticing differences between 900p and 1080p that is fine, but you have to understand that a technical comparison doesn't take into account what our eyse see, but technical specifications so even if you cant tell 1080p from 900p the higher resolution and the higher frame rate is there and that is what counts hence this topic.


Your right, even if you can't see it, the difference still exists, and matters.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 20:24

The same way the differences were blown out of proportion last gen, yes? Only this gen the differences are far bigger.

Funny how people aren't enjoying it this time round.

 

Imo the reason so many people were critical of the PS3 last gen was because they basically lied on their tech demos with hours of pre-rendered footage. Other than that I am pretty positive last gen the PS3 was only weaker because it was more resource intensive for a studio to create a game of similar performance on it than the 360. This time around that is reversed, but the architecture problems being encountered by the X1 are not nearly as significant as the Cell processor in the PS3.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 22:34

Imo the reason so many people were critical of the PS3 last gen was because they basically lied on their tech demos with hours of pre-rendered footage. Other than that I am pretty positive last gen the PS3 was only weaker because it was more resource intensive for a studio to create a game of similar performance on it than the 360. This time around that is reversed, but the architecture problems being encountered by the X1 are not nearly as significant as the Cell processor in the PS3.


That is true.

This time around, you are not really talking about developers having a hard time making proper use of an unusual architecture. The issue is just a raw performance difference, much more straight forward.

So the X1 performance difference regarding its gpu is real and straight forward. Its a pc-like gpu just as much as the ps4 gpu is. The performance difference is significant, but the architecture difference is not. The only architecture issue the X1 has is the ram configuration that requires more effort by developers.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 23:12

That is true.

This time around, you are not really talking about developers having a hard time making proper use of an unusual architecture. The issue is just a raw performance difference, much more straight forward.

So the X1 performance difference regarding its gpu is real and straight forward. Its a pc-like gpu just as much as the ps4 gpu is. The performance difference is significant, but the architecture difference is not. The only architecture issue the X1 has is the ram configuration that requires more effort by developers.

 

And if the figure out how to leverage the RAM, then they will have more breathing room with the GPU. Key word "if". I certainly hope they do, since I'd rather this BS discussion be put to rest.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 23:14

The purpose of this topic is not to rub member's noses in about what is better than what. Nor is it to drag up the past and have "revenge" over console wars.

 

Please return the topic to technical discussion and as always, if you have no interest in the subject don't take part.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:56

And if the figure out how to leverage the RAM, then they will have more breathing room with the GPU. Key word "if". I certainly hope they do, since I'd rather this BS discussion be put to rest.

 

 

Ultimately, its not about closing the gap with the ps4, its about improving the performance situation for the XB1. People get hung up about arguing over the consoles an insist on making these discussions a 'vs' situation.

 

So regardless of how the ps4 improves over time, if MS does the same with the X1 over time, then that means more games that hit the minimum marks some demand. It means better looking and running games for the X1 than exist now. It means developers require less effort to maximize hardware usage as well.

 

I have no doubt that X1 and PS4 will improve over time. Since the X1 is the one with a more difficult architecture, I expect we will see more improvement in a shorter amount of time vs the ps4, which already has a relatively more simplified design. Again, a flip from last gen where the 360 was simpler.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 19:02

The Crew Developer Explains How They Achieved 1080p Resolution On Xbox One, 5% CPU Reserve Helped


http://gamingbolt.co...-reserve-helped



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:30

Destiny confirmed 1080p on XB1, this time with a video.

 

http://in.ign.com/de...footage-ign-fir



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:06

Great news :) Can't wait to try out the demo at the weekend.



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Posted Today, 14:38

Tech Analysis: Destiny beta on Xbox One
 

Both next-gen consoles run at the same levels of world detail in this early build, with Xbox One also a match for the PS4's stable frame-rate. The only bug-bear is the 900p versus 1080p differential, where the PS4 benefits from a clearer image. However, based on footage released of the 1080p Xbox One build so far, this is to be corrected with no apparent sacrifices to visuals elsewhere. Where performance is concerned, we'll have to see nearer release whether this 1080p playback is achieved with no impact to the game's smooth, consistent frame-rate.


http://www.eurogamer...y-xbox-one-beta





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