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I know this probably won't be happening in Update 1 from the looks of it, But I was bored and thought I would create a mockup of a selection screen that would be presented to the user. Let me know what you think.

 

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Here is a bonus Mockup!

 

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+1 for this mockup...

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Can we have an option screen to choose whether we want this option screen to be displayed or not?

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No. There is no legitimate reason users need to choose this stuff when the desktop is one click away. There is no reason Microsoft cannot unify their offerings, especially when the start screen does not prohibit the pinning of desktop apps. Again, you're not going to have that menu forever, at one point or another, you have to move on.

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No. There is no legitimate reason users need to choose this stuff when the desktop tile is one click away. There is no reason Microsoft cannot unify their offerings, especially when the start screen does not prohibit the pinning of desktop apps.

 

Its called choice.

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Its called choice.

What? How is the start screen prohibiting you from using the desktop?

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I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think most users will know what to choose. Windows should itself choose the most sensible default depending on which device it's running on: desktop + start menu* on traditional PCs, and Start Screen on touch devices.

 

* by start menu I don't necessarily mean the exact Windows 7 start menu, but a desktop-friendly equivalent.

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They can detect touch enabled hardware already. I hope it is an automatic setting that everyone can override on their own.

I know this probably won't be happening in Update 1 from the looks of it, But I was bored and thought I would create a mockup of a selection screen that would be presented to the user. Let me know what you think.

You are ignoring keyboard users :p

Please click or tap or select&press-enter to select your default screen.

 

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I hope I didn't offend keyboard users by forcing them to read click or tap or

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Even if you don't use Metro apps, how is the Start Screen not already part of the desktop? It works the same as the old Start Menu, and takes you right back to the desktop if launching desktop applications.

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No, just no...There is no reason for the full startmenu to return. Nor for those options.

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Its called choice.

The choice already exists and takes two seconds to make. We don't need a full screen selection app for every option in the OS.

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think most users will know what to choose. Windows should itself choose the most sensible default depending on which device it's running on: desktop + start menu* on traditional PCs, and Start Screen on touch devices.

 

* by start menu I don't necessarily mean the exact Windows 7 start menu, but a desktop-friendly equivalent.

The Start Screen is perfectly desktop-friendly.

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There is no need for screens like this.

MS created Metro and that's Windows now.

The option to boot to desktop is still there, that's more then enough.

 

There was no option, during the setup of Windows 95, to select the old progman as your default was there?

 

The new features should always be the default! There are options to change them if you like

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I like the first photo, it looks nice. I don't know why people are getting mad and complaining about it. How does it hurt you to click a one time setup choice and never see it again? There's no need to take it personally that some people don't like Metro and for those who don't ever want to see it this would be a nice customization option when they create their account. As for the second though I really don't think the classic start menu is ever going to return (it feels strange to call it the classic start menu when the actual classic start menu was removed in Windows 7; maybe we should call it the Aero Start Menu).

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I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think most users will know what to choose. Windows should itself choose the most sensible default depending on which device it's running on: desktop + start menu* on traditional PCs, and Start Screen on touch devices.

 

* by start menu I don't necessarily mean the exact Windows 7 start menu, but a desktop-friendly equivalent.

 

And who gets to decide what a "sensible" default is? I prefer the Screen over the little menu, so for me that would be the sensible default, regardless of the device form factor. Let the people choose for themselves, rather than having the machine guess. I feel the Screen works very well on traditional PCs.

 

And it should be easy to switch, just in case the person changes his mind or wants to try the other option.

No, just no...There is no reason for the full startmenu to return. Nor for those options.

 

I disagree. There's no harm in providing the options. But the new elements should be the default, not the old. While Microsoft should allow people to use the old ways, it's also perfectly acceptable for them to promote the new and encourage their use.

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I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think most users will know what to choose.

Oh, I disagree. I suspect the vast majority of users will know exactly which one to choose.....

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Oh, I disagree. I suspect the vast majority of users will know exactly which one to choose.....

How are they supposed to make a choice without knowledge of what each alternative entails? Unless you assume most users are intimately familiar with the "Start Screen" and "Desktop" as abstract concepts. I would say most desktop users aren't even conscious of the "Desktop" as a user interface and, even with extensive experience with it, wouldn't understand what they're looking at from those screenshots, much less what the choice means.

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How are they supposed to make a choice without knowledge of what each alternative entails? Unless you assume most users are intimately familiar with the "Start Screen" and "Desktop" as abstract concepts. I would say most desktop users aren't even conscious of the "Desktop" as a user interface and, even with extensive experience with it, wouldn't understand what they're looking at from those screenshots, much less what the choice means.

C'mon man, seriously...??? Assuming people are stupid is how ms got into trouble in the first place. People ARE smart enough, they DO know what they want.... and the choice WILL be made.(or should I say HAS been made...)??

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just deal with it or buy classic shell this is Microsoft's vision if you don't want it stay on 7 or move to osx or Linux

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Oh, I disagree. I suspect the vast majority of users will know exactly which one to choose.....

 

The vast majority of people that actually use W8 have no problem with the start screen and a lot of the ones that stayed away because of bad word of mouth have no real idea what the supposed problems are, they just hear 'it's bad' and that's that. See Vista. I know way more that never tried 8 but don't know what's so terrible about it than I know users who ditched 8 and I fear MS is going to do more harm by backpedaling instead of organically improving what they now have. The first screen kinda makes sense but seeing a screenshot of the old, dusty start menu makes me realize that I don't miss it at all.

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C'mon man, seriously...??? Assuming people are stupid is how ms got into trouble in the first place. People ARE smart enough, they DO know what they want.... and the choice WILL be made.(or should I say HAS been made...)??

Then I guess we have a different experience of "average users". I base my opinion on my fair share of helping out others with their computers and asking them how they work. Apart from me and people I know from my domain of expertise (i.e. software), I don't think anyone would have the knowledge required to make an informed and meaningful decision, faced with that screen.

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Not sure how clicking a tile is any different than clicking an icon. If you don't want to do that, there are other ways of doing things that have been in Windows forever. WIN+S, and you can search for the thing you want. Don't want to do that either? Then make a toolbar on the taskbar, and store your program shortcuts in there.

 

There's no reason Microsoft needs to be held back from trying new things all because you're afraid of tiles and charms.

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Classic start menu will never come back. If anything, it will be changed like what happened from 9.x to XP. And it may not be a menu. May still be the screen with more/better options.

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Again, you're not going to have that menu forever, at one point or another, you have to move on.

Of course not. But MS has a long history of giving people choice. They didnt do that with Win8. Implement the new way but give users more options or a familiar way as well. And with all the rumors and leaks recently, it appears MS is listening.

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You can't replace the start screen altogether.  There would be no way to access the store, the new apps, or their live tiles.

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I haven't noticed Microsoft saying "please" with these sorts of things, though.

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