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#16 xendrome

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 23:17

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.

 

1) Yank the Matrox video card, it is from 1999. The CPU has onboard Intel HD2000, which will be much faster and WDDM compliant.

 

 

That server has an onboard Matrox card video chipset. It works great for what it is meant to be used for, and also works with iDRAC if the system is equipped for out of band management.

Dell Supports the following OS's on that system

 

 

 

Microsoft® Windows Server® 2012
Microsoft Windows Server 2012 Essentials
Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, x64 (includes Hyper-V®) 
Novell® SUSE® Linux Enterprise Server
Red Hat® Enterprise Linux®

 

 

There are no drivers for 7/8/8.1 so he should not be running those OS's on that system, it's not good for stability or production if it hasn't been tested. Dell has top-notch Enterprise equipment, and although this is a budget server, I'm positive they tested those OS's above and I do see they provide drivers for them also.




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Posted 04 February 2014 - 23:40

Hello,

Ill do a quick bootup tommorow and post a screenshot but I dont think Ill use this as my daily....I dont have time to keep tinkering it to get it to work correctly.

You want only a screenshot of the Device Manager with everything expanded right? My main issue is the mouse stutter. Besides that, I can live with the rest.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 23:47

I'm almost bemused as to why you'd install windows 7 on a server...

Because it's being used as a workstation, maybe?

Repurposing old servers as workstations has a LONG history - in fact, said history is at least as old as NT or even UNIX (as in Solaris, when it was still owned by Sun Microsystems, and the SPARCstation 1 was their flagship).  Even today, the real differences between workstation and server motherboards are in two (and only two) areas - graphics and storage.  Naturally, there is little reason to have even midrange (let alone high-end) graphics in a server - especially if it will be accessed remotely most of the time.  What servers need lots of is I/O - that means storage (drives), bandwidth (networking) or both.  However, such designs are supreme overkill for most workstations, and even most desktops.  Because of the use of third-party controllers for server I/O (both storage and networking), downgrading a server to a workstation is usually as simple as pulling the third-party storage and/or networking cards.  In the case of Windows Vista and later, if you go x64, the differences between the client and server sides of both OSes are minimal to the point of being almost zero, even in terms of those areas where desktops, workstations, and servers are "supposed" to be different.  Two of the OSes I multiboot are Windows 8.1 (ProWMC x64) and Server 2012R2 - desktop OS and server OS, respectively.  The driver differences between the two are not merely close to zero, but absolutely zero.  And that is despite my motherboard chipset (Intel G41) and GPU (nVidia GTX550Ti) being "seemingly" JPW (Just Plain Wrong) for use in a server (G41 is consumer-stable/corporate-stable, and is expected in low-end desktops and portable computers of the Vista era, while GTX550Ti is a gaming GPU of the same era - of what advantage is either for a server?).



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 00:03

^ OEMs don't want the headache and people exaggerate. In the end it's all hardware from major manufactures and they support all OSes. Hell, I have cheap clients who've gone and bought a desktop PC and told me to make it a server. I used on board Intel raid and added another drive for a mirror and installed Server 2008 R2. Seeing as the original OS was 7 x64, it's a perfect match, although very, very cheap in both senses of the word.

 

We'll know more with the device manager shot.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 00:45

^ OEMs don't want the headache and people exaggerate. In the end it's all hardware from major manufactures and they support all OSes. Hell, I have cheap clients who've gone and bought a desktop PC and told me to make it a server. I used on board Intel raid and added another drive for a mirror and installed Server 2008 R2. Seeing as the original OS was 7 x64, it's a perfect match, although very, very cheap in both senses of the word.

 

We'll know more with the device manager shot.

That is exactly why I used the word "seemingly".  G41 is usable for the purpose (bottom-end server) for the very reason of that corporate-stable/consumer-stable design feature; remember, servers are supposed to be about reliability - which CSM-designed chipsets have in abundance. Admittedly, nV GTX550Ti is overkill for a server - however, it's more a mater of using what's there; besides, the current Forceware driver is actually WHQL for Server 2008 and later, in addition to Vista and later.

 

Because this is a multiboot PC, it's influencing my upgrades - such as the next motherboard.  While Intel Ethernet is preferable (peace of mind), the current Intel gigabit chipset design (Intel i217V) is NOT supported by Windows Server - not even 2012R2.  ("Houston, we have a problem.")  That's why I moved away from midrange (let alone high-end) Intel Z87 motherboards (which use the i217V) to lower-end, if not bottom-end, Z87-based motherboards (most of which use Realtek gigabit, and specifically the RTL8111F or G, which is actually a derivative of, and uses the same driver as, the WHQL-certified RTL8111C/D/E - which is in my current motherboard).



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 02:33

That server has an onboard Matrox card video chipset. It works great for what it is meant to be used for, and also works with iDRAC if the system is equipped for out of band management.

Dell Supports the following OS's on that system

 

 

 

There are no drivers for 7/8/8.1 so he should not be running those OS's on that system, it's not good for stability or production if it hasn't been tested. Dell has top-notch Enterprise equipment, and although this is a budget server, I'm positive they tested those OS's above and I do see they provide drivers for them also.

 

I agree, with the exception that this user has been using it for a client OS and is preparing to continue to use it with a client OS.  There is nothing wrong with repurposing hardware like this in a new role.

 

As for drivers, outside of signing logistics, there is NO difference between 2008 R2/Win7 2012/Win8 - they are the same x64 code base, and are even the same binaries. This is also true of x86 Vista/Server 2008 x86, which may provide the drivers the user needs if they are forced to stick with Win7 x86.

 

I didn't realize the Matrox card was onboard, but now that you mention it, makes sense for this generation of Servers. 

 

 

For the OP...

 

If you are going to use it in a non-Server capacity, you need to consider moving to Windows 8.1 for performance, with the exception of the GPU, the chipsets are fully supported from the vendors directly (Intel, Broadcom, etc.) If you want to keep the existing GPU and 'want Aero', you have to run Windows 8.1, as it no longer require DX9 hardware for the vector composer, and will function with a generic SVGA class driver.   Again, as a client system, even a cheap $15-20 video card would be a vast improvement over a 1998 GPU technology.

 

 

Off the record tip:

Windows 8.1 or Server 2012 would also be the easiest if cost/access is problem, as the user could install the trial versions and renew them for a full six months of operation.  With even a fast 'reinstall' after that if they migrate their profiles or use a MS Account to retain all their settings.  Server 2012 can work well as a client OS as well.

 

 

Side Note:
My problem is users getting upset with Windows on a system where XYZ distribution of FreeBSD/Linux worked fine. Windows will work fine as well, but they have to go beyond the vendor (Dell) to get the drivers, and they need to be installing the best version of Windows for the hardware, and right now that is usually Windows 8.1.

 

(I don't think people appreciate how much optimization is in Windows 8.1 and how well it works on slower hardware.)



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:15

Hello,

Couldnt get it to work under Windows 7 and Im not wasting more time on this. Sorry I couldnt get you guys a screenshot.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 15:55

Hello,

Today Ive got a chance to get a second look at this, so lets try to retackle this :)

Sadly, all of it is in spanish. Is there a way to generate a short list of hardware inside the PC?

A SM Bus Controller's driver is missing.

BTW, I dont mind reformatting it but I would like some help beforehand as I dont wanna waste another round doing the same thing again.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:03

Hello,

Today Ive got a chance to get a second look at this, so lets try to retackle this :)

Sadly, all of it is in spanish. Is there a way to generate a short list of hardware inside the PC?

A SM Bus Controller's driver is missing.

BTW, I dont mind reformatting it but I would like some help beforehand as I dont wanna waste another round doing the same thing again.

 

Admittedly I haven't read the earlier topic, nor do I have time to while I'm at work. However you can generate a list of hardware by typing System Information into the start menu and then save that and update the .nfo file here.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:10

You can also use DevCon and do a "devcon find *" and route that to a text file. (It works with 7/8 too.)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311272



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:14

Hello,

Admittedly I haven't read the earlier topic, nor do I have time to while I'm at work. However you can generate a list of hardware by typing System Information into the start menu and then save that and update the .nfo file here.

Same thing as Device Manager. Language is different so.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:20

Hello,

You can also use DevCon and do a "devcon find *" and route that to a text file. (It works with 7/8 too.)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311272

Same thing too. Good tool though.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 16:28

I would think that it'll use whatever language your system is set for, you could always install English in the Region and Languages control panel and temporarily switch.  Some third party programs like Speccy allow you to force a language for the interface but I suspect it'll still take your selected region into account for the actual results, not positive.  Or take the lazy route and copy/paste it through Google Translate, between the vendor ID's and the Engrish translation I'm sure people will get the idea.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 17:59

Hello,

I would think that it'll use whatever language your system is set for, you could always install English in the Region and Languages control panel and temporarily switch.

Thats only for Windows 7 Ultimate, not Professional, right?

Some third party programs like Speccy allow you to force a language for the interface but I suspect it'll still take your selected region into account for the actual results, not positive.  Or take the lazy route and copy/paste it through Google Translate, between the vendor ID's and the Engrish translation I'm sure people will get the idea.

Looked at Speccy and it seems to do it somewhat. I have to go thru it as there is personal information there anyways... Tommorow Ill post it.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:19

Hello,

Best I could do guys sorry

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Summary
Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64 -bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i3 2100@3.10GHz 27 ° C
Sandy Bridge 32nm Technology
RAM
4.00 GB Single -Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz ( 9-9-9-24 )
motherboard
Dell Inc. 0W6TWP ( CPU1 ) 30 ° C
Graphics
No generic PnP Monitor (1280x1024 @ 1Hz )
Matrox Graphics Card VGA standard (Dell )
Storage
465GB Western Digital WDC - 18WERA0 WD5003ABYX ATA Device (SATA ) 29 ° C
Cintra 1GB USB USB Device (USB )
Optical Drives
HL -DT- ST DVD- ROM ATA Device DH40N
ELBY SCSI CdRom Device CloneDrive
audio
No audio card detected

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Intel Core i3 -2100 CPU@3.10GHz
Intel Core i3 -2100 CPU@3.10GHz
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HID -compliant mouse
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Generic PnP Monitor not
PCI standard ISA bridge
generic bus
Controller Direct Memory Access
Programmable Interrupt Controller
System timer
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Numeric data processor
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Event timer precision
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WDC - 18WERA0 WD5003ABYX ATA Device
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HL -DT- ST DVD- ROM ATA Device DH40N
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SPD
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