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#31 +techbeck

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:03

I think that regardless on what side of the fence you are on, we can all agree that Windows will never be perfect and there will always be those who will find something to complain about.  Update 1 will address a lot of issues people are having and create new ones.  So expect more updates from MS.




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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:04

I'd still prefer a greater focus on the Metro side. It needs to be made more robust, not turned into the desktop. It's not the 1990s anymore.

 But what if I run a desktop?

 

I mean this link below would be silly wouldn't it?

 

http://www.theonion....-with-no,14299/

 

Why make a macbook like an ipod in the above example? 

 

If you and others want to keep a phone UI but can give excellent ideas how to:

1. app stack

2. Not have apps run full UI so I can get files and other apps without something closed or out of view

3. Have aero snap so I can edit and view 2 documents or more at the same time

4. Have more than 1 Modern app at a time?

 

As a producer of content whether a secretary writting an email or someone rendering 3d scenes the need to multitask with several apps is a must. No one gives a hoot about this ability on a tiny phone. I know you want to see MS succeed with mobile but desktops and workstations are not going away any time soon. True Grandma prefers a tablet for Facebook and Angry birds. But someone who needs to get stuff done we need these and Windows traditionally beat this and one over DOS because you could have more than 1 window opened with different information.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:07

I think that regardless on what side of the fence you are on, we can all agree that Windows will never be perfect and there will always be those who will find something to complain about.  Update 1 will address a lot of issues people are having and create new ones.  So expect more updates from MS.

 

True I have to work with XP and IE 8 die hards who feel menus and that blue taskbar are the pinnacle and cannon that is all holy to Windows and will whine if anything is ever different. People get used to things after awhile.

 

Of course I feel my complaints over Windows 8 are valid as the marketplace has reflected due to having more than 1 window and app at a time with nothing going full screen. But that is what I like. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:07

lol I think it is heading in the right direction. metro shunned to the background behind the taskbar hah.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:17

This means you can keep your applets and with a keyboard and mouse multitask. I am sticking with Windows 7 for this reason and wouldn't upgrade to Windows 8 even if it were free!

 

You and people like you may not but I bet if Win8 were free most sane people looking to upgrade would do so and then simply install a Start Menu app if required.
 

Corporate buyers would gladly pay $1,000 to keep Windows 7 for these reasons as productivity would suffer without multitasking ability.

 

Of course, corporate buyers are idiots who despise profits and would rather pay $1000 per copy of Win7 than $5 for Start8 (or nothing at all for Classic Shell).

You might have a valid point but it tends to get lost in all the exaggeration and hyperbole. Debate your stand with facts; that way you'll be taken much more seriously.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:21

When the taskbar is set to "Hide automaticaly" it works exactly the same for desktop apps. It always has been like that, Update 1 isn't going to change this for Windows 8.1's metro apps.

 

As long as this is true I don't see it as a problem. You're only going to bring it up to change apps and it's much more efficient than the app bar.


You and people like you may not but I bet if Win8 were free most sane people looking to upgrade would do so and then simply install a Start Menu app if required.
 

 

Of course, corporate buyers are idiots who despise profits and would rather pay $1000 for Win7 than $5 for Start8 (or nothing at all for Classic Shell).

You might have a valid point but it tends to get lost in all the exaggeration and hyperbole. Debate your stand with facts; that way you'll be taken much more seriously.

 

You're both wrong. Corporate users would not pay $1000 for Windows 7 and also do not like deploying third party UI tools/gadgets throughout and enterprise. The TCO will be much more than $5.

 

I do agree with you comments about Windows 8 being free. ;)


I think that regardless on what side of the fence you are on, we can all agree that Windows will never be perfect and there will always be those who will find something to complain about.  Update 1 will address a lot of issues people are having and create new ones.  So expect more updates from MS.

 

Agreed. I like 8.1 much better than 8 RTM, and the updates all look good except adding the search and power button to the start screen is unsightly and unbalanced.. All this should be under the user when you right click it and keep the clean balanced appearance.

 

But, I won't have a fit over it and can live with it..



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:22

Corporate users would not pay $1000 for Windows 7 and also do not like deploying third party UI tools/gadgets throughout and enterprise. The TCO will be much more than $5.

More than $5 perhaps, but still much less than $1000 per seat. I can assure you faced with a $1000 hit per machine they'll absolutely go with a third party utility, or even find it much more worthwhile and cost-effective to roll their own solution. The point remains, needless hyperbole does nothing to add to the discussion.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:25

I'd still prefer a greater focus on the Metro side. It needs to be made more robust, not turned into the desktop. It's not the 1990s anymore.

 

Maybe they can't make Metro more robust without many more man years of development. I'm sure if they could do it quickly, they would have.


More than $5 perhaps, but still much less than $1000 per seat. I can assure you faced with a $1000 hit per machine they'll absolutely go with a third party utility, or even find it much more worthwhile and cost-effective to roll their own solution.

 

Well yeah, less than $1000. The point I was getting at was neither one is a real option in the enterprise. MS is headed in the right direction with the improvements, they just need to keep on going.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:30

Given such a situation for real IMO it would become a real option. Anyway...
 

MS is headed in the right direction with the improvements, they just need to keep on going.

With this I agree, at least in that it'll please more people (can never make everyone happy) instead of being as divisive as 8 was. They aren't quite there yet though and I'm looking forward to see what else they come up with, not just in terms of integrating Metro with the Desktop but also in terms of improving it further. However the important changes will have to wait till Win9 most likely.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 23:50

Why so afraid of change? Gosh :-)

 

The market has spoken. We wont put up with a cell phone UI on our workstations. Full screen apps ruin productivity. Modern means no aero snap, aero preview, and GPU accelerated thumbnails. It means no app stacking. It means no having more than one app up at a time.

 

 

Snapping and running multiple apps at same time was in Metro from the start.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 00:11

Only desktop though. Not modern unless you count the long left edge which doesn't work beyond a preview

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 00:26

Changes are looking good to me, and will help with people being less resistant to use the Start Screen and Windows Store apps.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 00:32

Only desktop though. Not modern unless you count the long left edge which doesn't work beyond a preview

 

Not sure if we're referring to the same thing, or if that post was even in response to mine.

 

If we are, and it was, then I'll reiterate.  Snapping apps and running more than one at the same time, and even having more than one being shown on the screen at one time was all possible in Metro/Modern from the start.  Metro/Modern, not the desktop.  They were not previews.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 00:44

MSFT got it finally right in terms of letting the two camps have what they want. now what do we have to do?

 

resort to this?

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:08

For me, this merging-style looks cheap. I like metro (or modern ui) and I like desktop. And I like it how it is in Win 8-8.1. I know it was strange for weeks but now after ~2years I got used to it and I have no problems with it. Now they making these things and somehow I'm losing the excitement for Windows. Ofcourse if they fix a bunch of things(make rightclick menus look to match with other menus, don't make titlebar popup on app opening, etc.), then it would be better. I know it's not done yet, but you know... it's microsoft and they don't really care for those little thing to make everything perfect. Just look the window border bug on show desktop hover. Or the 20-30 year old icons.... So I think Windows is getting more and more messed up. They need to make a nearly brand new OS like Apple did with OSX after OS9. Clean all the messy old code and make Windows clean and fresh. I'm waiting for that... patiently :D Maybe Windows 10... Or Windows X? :p



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