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#1 Nick H.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:42

Europe watches Swiss immigration vote
By Imogen Foulkes BBC News, Geneva

Swiss voters are going to the polls on Sunday in a nationwide referendum on immigration which is being watched closely right across Europe.

The proposal, from the right-wing Swiss People's Party, calls on Switzerland to abandon its free movement of people treaty with the European Union and introduce strict quotas on immigration.

Switzerland is not a member of the EU, but has adopted large sections of EU policy, including free movement and the Schengen open-borders agreement, in order to have access to Europe's single market.

Brussels has always insisted that the Swiss will not be allowed to cherry-pick only the aspects of EU policy they like.

But its successful economy, and soaring unemployment in many eurozone countries, make Switzerland a very attractive destination.

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I'm a tad concerned, but overall I think this won't go ahead. We've tried it before a few times, and it's always been taken down.




#2 jakem1

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:30

I'm tired of all this right-wing, anti-immigration hatred.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:57

Anti-immigration has been proven to work! Letting in 20 different cultures into a country is sure to cause trouble. Many will work for half/quarter wages - just what employers love, and just one reason for the rise in unemployment. The media won't tell you that of course.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:11

The media won't tell you that of course.

 

that's all the media tells you...



#5 jakem1

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:15

Anti-immigration has been proven to work! Letting in 20 different cultures into a country is sure to cause trouble. Many will work for half/quarter wages - just what employers love, and just one reason for the rise in unemployment. The media won't tell you that of course.

 

Immigrants can only undercut wages if labour laws are weak or not being enforced.  Letting 20 different cultures into a country is only going to cause trouble for narrow-minded people.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:17

well, cultures that refuse to integrates but seeking to replace the host countries laws with their own, will causes trouble.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:32

If the immigrants earn less then average it is not doing the country no favers, just reducing GDP per capita == the population is becoming poorer or less productive.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 13:02

well, cultures that refuse to integrates but seeking to replace the host countries laws with their own, will causes trouble.

 

Well thankfully that's only a common problem in the minds of the ignorant.  The reality is that immigrants don't leave home to try and impose the laws they're used to on another country. Besides, once they start paying taxes and/or gain the right to vote there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to voice concerns/make suggestions about the way their adopted country is run. 

 

If the immigrants earn less then average it is not doing the country no favers, just reducing GDP per capita == the population is becoming poorer or less productive.

 

Another non-argument.  It's silly to assume that all immigrants are earning less than the average or are not net contributors to the tax system.  Most countries restrict benefits to immigrants for a period of time so (given the fact that immigrants are more likely to be employed) they're more likely to be contributing than taking regardless of what they earn.  Also, how is it worse for an immigrant to earn less than the average than for someone who is native to the country in question?  The immigrant is less likely to have cost the system anything (e.g. they will have been educated in their home country) so they are less of a burden on society, not more. 



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 13:46

Well thankfully that's only a common problem in the minds of the ignorant.  The reality is that immigrants don't leave home to try and impose the laws they're used to on another country. Besides, once they start paying taxes and/or gain the right to vote there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to voice concerns/make suggestions about the way their adopted country is run. 

ignorant?

i believe you should've at least look at no-go-zones in E.U cities,

why are no-go zones happens,

who enacting those area,

whose the majority population in such zone/area.

 

If you see nothing wrong about no-go-zones, you're complete ignorant no further discussion will be fruitful.

 

I used to supporter of multiculturalism,

but as evolution works with its selective natures,

in order for multicultural to survives,

it need to be selective on which cultures that will became part of it.

 

Not all cultures were equal,

while some are beneficial as other co-existent culture could learn & adapt something positive about another cultures,

some cultures are just downright backward and/or dangerous and refuse to change or adapt for the better.



#10 jakem1

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 14:25

I should have added delusional.



#11 Stokkolm

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 14:41

Delusional? So Islamic immigrants trying to enact Sharia law in areas of a country they immigrated to is delusional? How about in the UK?



#12 jakem1

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 15:20

Delusional? So Islamic immigrants trying to enact Sharia law in areas of a country they immigrated to is delusional? How about in the UK?

 

Of course it's delusional.  You could count the number of Muslim immigrants who want to enact sharia law in the UK on one hand.  They're as insignificant as the extremists who want to stop all immigration.  It's ridiculous to be scared of them and completely illogical to formulate immigration policy because of them (unless you're pushing some other agenda).  It's also delusional to suggest that Europe is riddled with no-go areas because of immigration. 

 

By the way, I pity you if you're relying on the "news" that you're getting from that crackpot website you linked to.



#13 Torolol

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 15:29

you can say their number was 'insignificant' but you wont see the same attitudes from other immigrant cultures like chinese or vietnamese.

The chinese was quite numerous in E.U, they pay taxes as well, but they doesn't spout non-sense want their own laws, or convert their beautiful chinatowns into a no-go area.

 

why such 'delusional'-ist are emerges from certain cultures but not another?



#14 Stokkolm

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 16:11

I would say that it's not as insignificant as you make it sound. Don't worry, I don't subscribe to CBN's view of the world, that was just the first link I found.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 16:16

It appears I was wrong...
 

Swiss immigration: 'Narrow Yes' to bring back quotas

 

With almost all votes counted, a Swiss referendum on whether to bring back strict immigration quotas appears to have passed by a narrow margin.

Between 50.5% and 51% voted in favour of measures which would end the Swiss-EU free movement of people agreement.

Fiercely independent Switzerland is not a member of the EU, but has adopted large sections of EU policy.

Brussels has already warned the Swiss that they cannot just choose the aspects they like.

A Yes vote of more than 50% is needed for the referendum to pass.

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