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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:22

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:24

I think the biggest news around this is some clarity on the OS reservations. I don't like the fact it comes from ND rather than Sony, very bad if you ask me.

 

3GB of RAM for the OS and 2 CPU cores reserved, no wonder there's a focus on GPGPU on there. All good though, more information the better.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 19:34

I think the biggest news around this is some clarity on the OS reservations. I don't like the fact it comes from ND rather than Sony, very bad if you ask me


Why would Sony make a point of telling the general public that information? Whilst it's not a secret, and that info has been known for some time, it has literally no relevance at all to joe public. The developers had all this information and that's all that matters....

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 19:47

I want Core 0 to be a Berserker and Core 1 to go Red Mage.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 20:34

Very informative talk, thanks for sharing it. I agree that learning about the OS reservations is new. I know it was speculation before, but to hear it confirmed this way is nice.

Now we have more concrete info when trying to compare both consoles when it comes to stuff like OS reservation, etc. Its interesting to see that both companies seem to have taken similar strategies when it comes to OS allocation of resources.



Why would Sony make a point of telling the general public that information? Whilst it's not a secret, and that info has been known for some time, it has literally no relevance at all to joe public. The developers had all this information and that's all that matters....


It matters because many on the internet made a huge deal about the same details reveled about the X1. So of course it matters how the ps4 compares to that. We could only speculate based on some possible leaked info since Sony wasn't laying it out like MS had.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:35

What needs to be clarified is the "secret" memory on both PS4 and X1. What is that extra 2GB of DDR3 on PS4 doing? What is X1 doing with that 8GB flash soldered onto the board? These are storage/memory capacities not to be laughed at. I mean flash isn't truly RAM, but it's almost the same idea...surely with 10GB and 16GB of capacity respectively these two are capable of so much more than we're seeing. Meaning developers don't even care to access those extra resources at this point. Shame.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:39

Interesting article, but looking at the comments on that site made me wish I never learned how to read.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:19

Why would Sony make a point of telling the general public that information? Whilst it's not a secret, and that info has been known for some time, it has literally no relevance at all to joe public. The developers had all this information and that's all that matters....

It hasn't been known, it had been heavily rumored and the exact number was never announced, the CPU reservation was never even speculated.

 

Transparency around a system is always a good thing, the more tech savvy consumers like myself and people on here have a general interest in this sort of information. Learning it through the developers and not the manufacturers is a bad image for me. 2 CPU cores is essentially 25% of the CPU gone, which is a massive point in terms of the performance of the system.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:31

All the things they described are relevant to PC games too. Physics have been GPGPU based for years now. Which once again proves it's a good thing that this generation of consoles uses normal pc hardware. Everything will be a lot easier to port



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:35

It hasn't been known, it had been heavily rumored and the exact number was never announced, the CPU reservation was never even speculated.

 

Transparency around a system is always a good thing, the more tech savvy consumers like myself and people on here have a general interest in this sort of information. Learning it through the developers and not the manufacturers is a bad image for me. 2 CPU cores is essentially 25% of the CPU gone, which is a massive point in terms of the performance of the system.

 

But Sony has absolutely no business going to efforts to explain this sort of information to tech-savvy users.  If you care that much, build a PC.

 

Consoles are about the end-results.  It is no secret since they have laid all the information out for developers and they aren't exactly under any NDA so if it makes its way to the consumers than fair enough.

 

If you judge your opinon of a company on not explicity and personally sending you the internal specs of a console instead of spending time giving the information to people that had a genuine use for it then you have a problem.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:42

I still don't know how microsoft and sony BOTH managed to bloat their operating systems so badly that they need to reserve 3GB for them. And no, you don't need nearly that much reserved to be able to multitask.

 

Also, i'm pretty sure we already knew about the ps4 having a similar 2 core cpu reservation as the one from a killzone presentation or something last year.

 

Some of the other bits are interesting though.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:44

What needs to be clarified is the "secret" memory on both PS4 and X1. What is that extra 2GB of DDR3 on PS4 doing? What is X1 doing with that 8GB flash soldered onto the board? These are storage/memory capacities not to be laughed at. I mean flash isn't truly RAM, but it's almost the same idea...surely with 10GB and 16GB of capacity respectively these two are capable of so much more than we're seeing. Meaning developers don't even care to access those extra resources at this point. Shame.

wat... Theres nothing secret about them.

The 8GB flash memory is used to store data like a page file does, which allows the XB1 to switch between multiple open apps and allows you to resume a game right away when you turn on the console with the "resume games quickly" feature. MS have said this themselfs. The PS4 obviously uses the 2GB DDR3 for similar stuff. And Flash is nothing like RAM, it's nowhere near fast enough to be used like RAM would for a game.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:44

I still don't know how microsoft and sony BOTH managed to bloat their operating systems so badly that they need to reserve 3GB for them. And no, you don't need nearly that much reserved to be able to multitask.

 

Also, i'm pretty sure we already knew about the ps4 having a similar 2 core cpu reservation as the one from a killzone presentation or something last year.

 

Some of the other btus are interesting though.

 

 I imagine it's future proofing more than anything.

 

The PS3's UI is horrifically slow, and has gotten worse as they've been fiddling with it over the years. The reserved capacities should allow both Sony and Microsoft to add new features without having to start taking away resources from games.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:48

But Sony has absolutely no business going to efforts to explain this sort of information to tech-savvy users.  If you care that much, build a PC.

 

Consoles are about the end-results.  It is no secret since they have laid all the information out for developers and they aren't exactly under any NDA so if it makes its way to the consumers than fair enough.

 

If you judge your opinon of a company on not explicity and personally sending you the internal specs of a console instead of spending time giving the information to people that had a genuine use for it then you have a problem.

I have a problem because I'm generally interested in the technical specifications of a console? No, more like I have an interest into the details. Maybe because like you, I've built PCs since I was young and work and study in IT.

 

I like transparency, this wasn't transparent. I have built PCs, I no longer want to build a PC. When you spend 9-12 hours a day behind 3 monitors I don't want to get home and do the same. I hate when people say "Build a PC" as a blanket response to anything negative around the technicalities of a console.

 

It'll be no secret to the developers, since they actually are working on the system but like this and many things, it was a secret to the consumers who're placing their hard earned cash on the boxes. 

 

Why are you so insulted that I don't agree with how this information was announced?



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:57

JonnyLH, on 13 Mar 2014 - 10:48, said:

I have a problem because I'm generally interested in the technical specifications of a console? No, more like I have an interest into the details. Maybe because like you, I've built PCs since I was young and work and study in IT.

 

I like transparency, this wasn't transparent. I have built PCs, I no longer want to build a PC. When you spend 9-12 hours a day behind 3 monitors I don't want to get home and do the same. I hate when people say "Build a PC" as a blanket response to anything negative around the technicalities of a console.

 

It'll be no secret to the developers, since they actually are working on the system but like this and many things, it was a secret to the consumers who're placing their hard earned cash on the boxes. 

 

Why are you so insulted that I don't agree with how this information was announced?

Except that it wasn't a secret at all.