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I have several computers and a Synology NAS on my network. For the longest time, just going to My Computer would show all the computers and my NAS. The importance was that I could access my NAS and copy files using Explorer. Starting yesterday, only the computer I am on shows up there. If I manually type \\DISKSTATION in the address bar it goes to my NAS and shows all the folders as normal. I've Googled this and can't figure it out. Why would all my computers show up in Network for the longest time and now on one day every computer only shows only itself in Network in Windows? It would previously show things like LR-PC, BR-PC, Pat's MacBook Pro, Diskstation. Now any computer I'm on only shows itself. Why would this happen and how do I fix it?

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Your tool times out and gives error 53 too. Also, I'm copying a file over the network and getting 1-3 MB/s. Something is not right. Maybe I need to reboot my router...

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Well the tool just does what the command does - just easier for users to use then doing it by hand ;)

 

1-3MB over wired network, yeah something really wrong.  Can not hurt to reboot your switch.

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Okay, soooooo the way you're doing it via this "automated" method and is unreliable. Why not create a startup script to mount the NAS as drives? Something like this should work:

 

A bat script with the follow:

 

set server1=<NAS IP>

ping -n 1 %server1%

if %errorlevel% equ 0 goto server1ok 

goto end

:server1ok

net use * /d /y

net use u: \\<NAS>

 

 

Or just map it as a drive and say reconnect on logon.

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't get it working like bud man has been trying to do but personally I wouldn't rely on things showing up automatically.

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"I wouldn't rely on things showing up automatically."

 

Agreed -- even MS makes the same claim ;)  From their document on computer browser I linked too which is from years ago.

 

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To be honest I don't understand why users even use this - its more clicks to get to your shares.  its much easier to just map to a drive letter or for that matter put a shortcut to your \\computername\share on your desktop, etc.

 

Do you really not know the names of your machine that are sharing files to do even a simple run \\computername ?

 

Now in normal setup - yes connect some machines together bing bang zoom they should all show up in this list.  But with users installing firewalls/antivirus software that they don't even know how to correctly configure or bother to RTFM, etc.  You have different window versions, MS changing default workgroup names between on them.. Users not even understanding what a workgroup even is - or perfect example what a master browser is like this thread.  You now have different discovery methods for the OS to show computers not just old school netbios.  There is PnP, WSD, WCN, SSDP off the top of my head.  You now have all kinds of other devices in the network that want to play together, NASes and Media servers, etc.  You have way more wireless devices entering and leaving the network all the time, you have users that don't know what NAT is and the guy at the computer store sells them a ROUTER when they need a switch or just need an AP and now they have multiple nats on their local network -- its amazing anything works to be honest ;)

 

If hey everything works your good - but when it goes wrong, its not like you click this button and its fixed..  You have to understand the underlying protocols that allow such thing to work, and you need to be able to troubleshoot to figure out the reason why its no longer working.  Example my sniffs showing the basics of how normal netbios master browser stuff works.

 

You also have to deal with just normal connectivity issues - if your seeing 1-3MBps over a wired connection you have problems!!!  It was like watching paint dry moving my sons files over to my server so I could wipe his machine because his cheap ass laptop only has a 100mbit interface.. And is 1 stream 150N wireless card is not going to be any better -- seeing 10-11MBps was painful!!  A normal typical network with cheap ass gig networking and normal disks should for sure be over 30MBps if not 50, etc.. 

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I don't understand why this problem started now after everything was working fine. The only change is that I switched 2 machines to OpenElec which only runs XBMC. The only other actual computers are my iMac and my MBP. I don't think the OpenElec machines are fighting for master browser because they only run XBMC. Perhaps it's one of my Macs. The fact that the command and also the app returns an error 53 is kind of weird.

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"The fact that the command and also the app returns an error 53 is kind of weird."

 

How is it weird??  They are doing the exact same thing - one is just easier for users to use... What's the saying -- doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results in the very definition of insanity..  So thinking you would get different results from the tool would be insane ;)

 

I have given you the documents to troubleshoot your issue, unless you let me Team Viewer in and take a look I don't know how else to help you.. Yes error 53 is broken!  Your list is not going to work if your getting error 53 ;)

 

C:\>net view                                                                     
Server Name            Remark                                                    
                                                                                 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------  
\\I5-W7                                                                          
\\STORAGE                                                                        
\\UBUNTU               ubuntu server (Samba, Ubuntu)                             
\\W81                                                                            
The command completed successfully.                                              
                                                                               

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BudMan are you available to TV in tomorrow?

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You rock man. I'll msg you around noon EST and see when is good for you.

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Seems he got it working without me having to TV in -- think it finally just clicked what the master browser stuff was ;)  Maybe the screen shot I sent him in PM showing my network and the announcements via wireshark.  Make sure you update the thread with how your now working.

 

I would think a lanscan showing your devices and which one is master browser would be good close to the thread..  Glad you got it sorted!!  And hopefully learned a bit in the process, even if it has been drawn out to much longer than it should of been.

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Budman was a real help. He told me to take a look at Wireshark. It revealed that one of my OpenElec HTPC's was stealing master browser. I set the samba.conf's on both computers to say NO to anything having to do with master browser. This is what I have now:

 

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
(c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
 
C:\Users\Pat>C:\Windows\lanscan.exe
 
LANscanner v1.54 - ScottiesTech.Info
 
Scanning LAN...
 
Scanning workgroup: WORKGROUP...
 
DISKSTATION       192.168.1.10     00-11-32-0e-76-98  WORKGROUP  MASTER
OPENELEC          192.168.1.23     00-01-2e-3b-e4-af  WORKGROUP
OPENELECLR        192.168.1.3      38-60-77-61-76-09  WORKGROUP
PAT-PC            192.168.1.16     f4-6d-04-45-d5-da  WORKGROUP
 
Press any key to exit...
C:\Users\Pat>

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Just wanted to update the thread that I haven't had a single lockup on my 2 OpenElec machines since BudMan introduced me to master browser and I found out how to disable it in OE. I'm able to browse my network like normal and the network is rock solid stable. Thanks BudMan!!
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Great to hear your long way to get to resources is responsive ;)  It feels good when things work - but you do understand browsing the network has nothing to do with accessing your shares and such..

 

It would be much more efficient to just map to your share be it a folder or drive letter, or just put a shortcut on your desktop.  Or for that matter run \\nameofcomputer ;)

 

But sure when you don't have boxes having elections all the time - I am the master browser, no I am your master browser, etc.  Then it does work smoother ;)

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Hey BudMan, this problem has come up again. I have my NAS set as MB. I was having audio issues on my living room htpc so I had to install Windows and now last night I put OpenElec back on that machine and set all the master browser options to no (just like my other HTPC). It doesn't show up in explorer but I can access it by IP address. When I run Lanscan, it takes long time to run and then lists all the computers except the one in question and shows the NAS as MB as it should. Why would this machine not be showing up?

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which machine is not showing up.. The OPenElec?? What workgroup is it in, what is the samba config on it?

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All the machines are on the same workgroup. Yes, the 2nd OpenElec, The network config is static IP. I just copied the samba entries over from my other OpenElec box that does show up. It has things like master browser=no, local browser, etc.

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Well give it a few minutes.. Network browsing is not instant to show up in the browse list. If after say 45 minutes its not listed, then sniff -- do you see its announcements, etc.

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