FloatingFatMan Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 People sure love freedom of speech when it's theirs and not someone else. I don't support what he says, but I support his right to say it. I don't. There should be no freedom to speak hate. LaP and spaceelf 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykranth Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I am sure the moron used to turn up to funerals of homosexuals to mock them. We should get an angry mob of Lesbian women and homosexual men to turn up to his burial or cremation. The should do what the aborigine's do with their dead. Hang them from a tree and let the Buzzards pick them dry. No, please no. I find personally it would be a bad idea to pick his funeral. Fred Phelps was an awful man, which twisted texts and words in order to spread discrimination, violence and hate. Picketing his funeral is getting to this guys' level and he was an inhumane monster. I'd rather have people let him die and to show the WBC more compassion and humanity that Fred Phelps ever demonstrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Berry Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 With how dark, sick and twisted my sense of humor is.. I wouldn't put it past that Rock band who filmed a masturbation video on the westboro lawn to make an appearance at some point (I'm sure you can imagine the rest) The Foo Fighters should troll them again instead! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astropheed Veteran Posted March 16, 2014 Veteran Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't. There should be no freedom to speak hate. It wouldn't be freedom then, would it? Order_66 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't. There should be no freedom to speak hate. I'm all for letting people speak whatever the hell they want to in private but their ###### antics in public should've been shut down under keeping the peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It wouldn't be freedom then, would it? Freedom isn't freedom unless a price is paid. If you want the freedom to speak hate, I want the freedom to lock you away forever for doing so. Actions should have consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted March 17, 2014 Veteran Share Posted March 17, 2014 It wouldn't be freedom then, would it? Freedom is a lie, there's only the illusion of freedom. Answer me this: If he is free to express hate, am I free to strike him for such expression? Both are acts of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsday Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Brendeth, spaceelf, LaP and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Freedom is a lie, there's only the illusion of freedom. Answer me this: If he is free to express hate, am I free to strike him for such expression? Both are acts of violence. No you shouldn't be allowed to express physical violence for verbal hate. Sticks and stones and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 No you shouldn't be allowed to express physical violence for verbal hate. Sticks and stones and all that. And when someone's hateful words are encouraging others to physically harm people because of their race/colour/sexuality/beliefs/weight/height/whatever, is that still OK? Hate is hate and no one should be allowed to espouse it in public without suffering consequences. Dick Montage, sanctified and Alera 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Welcome to your new home, Fred.. NeoTrunks 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrobwx71 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 What you sow is what you reap. I've a feeling the whirlwind is what he'll reap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And when someone's hateful words are encouraging others to physically harm people because of their race/colour/sexuality/beliefs/weight/height/whatever, is that still OK? Hate is hate and no one should be allowed to espouse it in public without suffering consequences. Hate is hate, I agree but hate is also a part of free speech, you cant have one without the other. Who exactly decides whats hate, how far they can go? What's "to extreme" for some may not be for others. The best way to deal with people like the WBC is the way people have been, fighting hate with their brains, not their brawn. Hell even the KKK have protested against them in a positive way. Ignoring them and anti-protests that block the WBC have been far more successful then trying to scare them off with physical violence. I agree there is a line when it comes to inciting violence and some do cross it but to be fair, WBC knows where that line is and they've been pretty good about not crossing it. If you allow yourself to be offended by others, you give those doing the offending more power then they should have. Threatening someone else with violence is no different then complaining about the hate speech in the first place. At some point you have to accept that freedom of speech covers things we all will have issues with but once you starting throwing in limits, it will becoming nothing more then a downward slope after that. Memphis, Mathachew and +Raze 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Freedom isn't freedom unless a price is paid. If you want the freedom to speak hate, I want the freedom to lock you away forever for doing so. Actions should have consequences. That sounds like hate speech to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 That sounds like hate speech to me. You're probably trying to make some kind of point there, but it appears to be failing miserably. :p Pointing out that people should not have the freedom to espouse hate, is not hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaP Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 People sure love freedom of speech when it's theirs and not someone else. I don't support what he says, but I support his right to say it. And people have the right to say they don't agree. Freedom of speech goes both way. You might have the right to insult people. But they have the right to be offended and complain about it. hagjohn 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 it would be great if they can get cat stevens a.k.a. yusuf islam to sing "wild world" at his funeral. sweet irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 You're probably trying to make some kind of point there, but it appears to be failing miserably. :p Pointing out that people should not have the freedom to espouse hate, is not hate. :shifty: So you don't hate these hate preachers then? Because I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey_richie Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order_66 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It's nothing to do with religion, it's because they are closet homosexuals. Yes! just as people who disagree with pedophilia are automatically closeted pedophiles themselves. /s Praetor and Dick Montage 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Yes! just as people who disagree with pedophilia are automatically closeted pedophiles themselves. /s Not all but some, usually the most outspoken ones tend to end up coming out or showing signs that they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hate is hate and no one should be allowed to espouse it in public without suffering consequences. And therein lies the issue. These people who do act in such ways in public only do so under a framework of "not suffering consequences". Not all but some, usually the most outspoken ones tend to end up coming out or showing signs that they are. For every example you care to cite, I can cite another that disproves. You are reacting solely to hyperbole and press agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamslammer Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'll be glad to see him go. The world will be a much better place without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COKid Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I reckon there's another nutjob to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfirth Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I reckon there's another nutjob to replace him. Probably a bigger nutjob, considering the replacement is probably who excommunicated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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