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[Update] Ex-Westboro Baptist Church Leader Fred Phelps is Dead


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#31 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:07

It wouldn't be freedom then, would it?

 

Freedom isn't freedom unless a price is paid.  If you want the freedom to speak hate, I want the freedom to lock you away forever for doing so.

 

Actions should have consequences.




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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:22

It wouldn't be freedom then, would it?

 

Freedom is a lie, there's only the illusion of freedom.

 

Answer me this: If he is free to express hate, am I free to strike him for such expression? Both are acts of violence.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 08:57

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 10:21

Freedom is a lie, there's only the illusion of freedom.

 

Answer me this: If he is free to express hate, am I free to strike him for such expression? Both are acts of violence.

 

 

No you shouldn't be allowed to express physical violence for verbal hate. Sticks and stones and all that. 

 



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:31

No you shouldn't be allowed to express physical violence for verbal hate. Sticks and stones and all that. 

 

And when someone's hateful words are encouraging others to physically harm people because of their race/colour/sexuality/beliefs/weight/height/whatever, is that still OK?

 

Hate is hate and no one should be allowed to espouse it in public without suffering consequences.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:48

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:02

What you sow is what you reap.

I've a feeling the whirlwind is what he'll reap.



#38 mudslag

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:45

And when someone's hateful words are encouraging others to physically harm people because of their race/colour/sexuality/beliefs/weight/height/whatever, is that still OK?

 

Hate is hate and no one should be allowed to espouse it in public without suffering consequences.

 

 

Hate is hate, I agree but hate is also a part of free speech, you cant have one without the other. Who exactly decides whats hate, how far they can go? What's "to extreme" for some may not be for others. The best way to deal with people like the WBC is the way people have been, fighting hate with their brains, not their brawn. Hell even the KKK have protested against them in a positive way. Ignoring them and anti-protests that block the WBC have been far more successful then trying to scare them off with physical violence. I agree there is a line when it comes to inciting violence and some do cross it but to be fair, WBC knows where that line is and they've been pretty good about not crossing it. 

 

If you allow yourself to be offended by others, you give those doing the offending more power then they should have. Threatening someone else with violence is no different then complaining about the hate speech in the first place. At some point you have to accept that freedom of speech covers things we all will have issues with but once you starting throwing in limits, it will becoming nothing more then a downward slope after that. 



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:56

Freedom isn't freedom unless a price is paid.  If you want the freedom to speak hate, I want the freedom to lock you away forever for doing so.

 

Actions should have consequences.

 

That sounds like hate speech to me.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:35

That sounds like hate speech to me.

 

You're probably trying to make some kind of point there, but it appears to be failing miserably. :p  Pointing out that people should not have the freedom to espouse hate, is not hate.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:39

People sure love freedom of speech when it's theirs and not someone else. I don't support what he says, but I support his right to say it.

 

And people have the right to say they don't agree. Freedom of speech goes both way. You might have the right to insult people. But they have the right to be offended and complain about it.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:48

it would be great if they can get cat stevens a.k.a. yusuf islam to sing "wild world" at his funeral. sweet irony.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 21:56

You're probably trying to make some kind of point there, but it appears to be failing miserably. :p  Pointing out that people should not have the freedom to espouse hate, is not hate.

 

:shifty:  So you don't hate these hate preachers then?

 

Because I do!



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 22:06

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 22:13

It's nothing to do with religion, it's because they are closet homosexuals.

 

Yes! just as people who disagree with pedophilia are automatically closeted pedophiles themselves.

 

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