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Posted 22 March 2014 - 02:58

Like with everything in life there is a cause and effect to everything. To the biggest thing to the smallest something that happens in the past will change the present and future.

Hilter was one of them that change the world. With him millions die and millions were born. Without him most of us would not be born.

What do you think? I hero to us that are born because our grandparents OE parents live in a different place or country?


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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:00

First off this should not be in the news section.

secondly yea, even though he did horrible things without those horrible things a lot of amazing things would not have come as quickly due to the struggle.

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:04

Well, one could argue that advancements in medicine and warfare has been advanced, alongside your claim. But that statement could be applied to any major event change brought on by catastrophic events.

Would I still be UK born? Probably not, but then one could argue, what 'said person who was affected by any war' life would be, it's an unknown, for all I know I could be living as a millionaire by now if I was born in India, but then the life and family, whom I love dearly, wouldn't exist.

 

too many variables for someone like me to make any more an informed statement beyond this point.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:10

The World would be an entirely different place that's for sure. But you never know how things can change. Hitler not being born might have led to a world that's so much worse.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:13

"With him millions die and millions were born. Without him most of us would not be born." - First four words are obviously true, but I'm sorry I find the rest idiotic and offensive (as also topic title). It's not as if millions wouldn't have been born anyway if he hadn't been conceived, and neither do millions owe their existence to him. Whether or not the exact same millions would have been born if he wasn't there doesn't matter in the least. And to be thankful to him for the war just because it sped up some aspects of scientific research is a truly disgusting concept. No proof we wouldn't have got there eventually, or perhaps equally quickly or even quicker due to other catalysts or factors.

 

There's no point debating what ifs. Maybe we'd have been born in the same form, maybe in another, maybe not at all. Maybe someone's grandparents or parents would have migrated regardless. You can go on tossing around possibilities like you can about your own life (what if I had done X differently etc.) None of it will ever make me thankful Hitler was born, but history can never be changed. For all we know the world would be a hellhole now if he wasn't born. Perhaps a worse dictator would have won the war and be currently lording over the world.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:13

If you're going there already, then there's no reason to be thankful he was born, because whatever happened was destined to happen anyway, as that chain of cause and effect goes back to the beginning of time. That he was born was completely incidental something that was greater than him, and would have happened without him, if such a thing was possible. Hitler was just a creature of his era and his culture. History made him just as much as he made history.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:21

Moved to General Discussion

 

 

I believe everything happens for a reason, and that even when something looks (and is) bad to one person or a group's perspective, it has a greater purpose in the long run. I am not sure I'd go as far as to say I am thankful for him... but I wouldn't go back in history and change anything.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:23

I owe my life to Hitler. Thanks to the war my grandpa enlisted and was stationed in Nebraska where he met my grandmother

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:31

I owe my life to Hitler. Thanks to the war my grandpa enlisted and was stationed in Nebraska where he met my grandmother

 
So you're actually thankful he was born because then you were? What if he wasn't and thus neither were you (in your current form at least), but it prevented the suffering and deaths of millions? Given a choice would you go back and abort him knowing you'd disappear instantly too? (Just a thought experiment.)



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:35

 
So you're thankful he was born? What if he wasn't and thus neither were you (in your current form at least), but it prevented the suffering and deaths of millions? Given a choice would you go back and abort him knowing you'd disappear instantly too? (Just a thought experiment.)

Normally I would have refrained, but there's a hole in your logic, If someone born as a result of hitler, went back in time to prevent the birth of hitler, the timeline would dictate said person would not be born in the world known as is, therefore 'said person' would not be alive to go back in time to prevent hitler's birth...



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:38

Normally I would have refrained, but there's a hole in your logic, If someone born as a result of hitler, went back in time to prevent the birth of hitler, the timeline would dictate said person would not be born in the world known as is, therefore 'said person' would not be alive to go back in time to prevent hitler's birth...


Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.... Stuff

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:38

Normally I would have refrained, but there's a hole in your logic, If someone born as a result of hitler, went back in time to prevent the birth of hitler, the timeline would dictate said person would not be born in the world known as is, therefore 'said person' would not be alive to go back in time to prevent hitler's birth...

 

This is Terminator and endless Hollywood movie time travel logic buddy, just go with it. :D



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:40

This is Terminator logic buddy, just go with it. :D

lol that's what I was doing.. Hence why John Connor Must live, without him, there'd be no reason for Kyle Reece to go back and stup John's mum, therefore spawning sequels with plot holes the size of planets



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:46


So you're actually thankful he was born because then you were? What if he wasn't and thus neither were you (in your current form at least), but it prevented the suffering and deaths of millions? Given a choice would you go back and abort him knowing you'd disappear instantly too? (Just a thought experiment.)


no. The war progressed humanity greatly in a short number of years and the atrocities at least led to many advancements in biology, chemistry, and medicine... Not to mention it helped bring about many of the first computers and set up America as a world power.

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:51

no. The war progressed humanity greatly in a short number of years and the atrocities at least led to many advancements in biology, chemistry, and medicine... Not to mention it helped bring about many of the first computers and set up America as a world power.

 

Can you be completely certain none of that would have occurred without Hitler around, maybe even quicker/better? Don't think so, so your justification makes no sense.