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#1 Kvally

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:35

http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6418519/



Sony has laid off an undisclosed amount of staff at three of its UK developers: Evolution Studios, Guerrilla Cambridge, and SCE London Studio. 

VideoGamer reported that "numerous" people from each studio have been let go. In a statement, Sony said that a recent internal review triggered the need for restructuring at the studios.

 
Sony is bleeding, so I can see them trimming where ever they can so they never go under.




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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:42

Doesn't it happen often when a game is done in this industry? They create big team for a game and when it's done they fire people and keep the core team only.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:45

Well the entire industry is tightening its belt it seems.  Sony is certainly in one of the worst positions considering the state of the company as a whole. 

 

Hopefully any developers let go now can find similar work quickly.

 

While there are numerous examples of game developer layoffs, its also true that most of the time the reaction from other game developers is to reach out to these people and remind them that they are looking for new hires.  So maybe there is a balance going on, even if certain companies are having to lay off more people.

 


Doesn't it happen often when a game is done in this industry? They create big team for a game and when it's done they fire people and keep the core team only.

 

 

It certainly seems like that is the case, but who knows if that is the reason for the layoffs in this case.

 

I would think that Sony would try to relocate these people if it was simply because they were done with the current project they had. 



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:48

Is Sony still in financial trouble?

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:48

Not surprising given other AAA studios can put out games with teams of <=100. Sony Santa Monica for example was up at over 200 before cuts, sad for the people, but ridiculously bloated.

 

Just another sword in the current AAA business model, it's not sustainable.

 

When looking at Sony remember they do have the most 1st party studios, many more than MS and Nintendo who rely a lot on 3rd party.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:50


 

 

It certainly seems like that is the case, but who knows if that is the reason for the layoffs in this case.

 

I would think that Sony would try to relocate these people if it was simply because they were done with the current project they had. 

 

Well the thing is we don't really know how many were fired. Was maybe a bunch of guys they did not like when working on Killzone and Driveclub. Killzone was not really a success layoffs got to be expected in a situation like that. Doesn't look like Driveclub is heading in the right direction either.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 15:51

Looking at this from a real world perspective; that sucks.  I'm sure some of these people have families to take care of and things of that nature.

 

The gaming industry seems to be at a all time high, but also at a crossroads as well.

 

Games are better than they've ever been.  But only a handful of titles get a decent return on their investment.  And this it seems, is the end result (well Sony's other departments, not helping the situation) of the matter.

 

Sony has some of the best studios out there.  But only a handful of games make money back for them.  Then when you have other divisions not hitting target numbers....  This happens.

 

I honestly hope all of them find work sooner, rather than later.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 16:09

Well the price rise at 60$ and advent of indie/self published games don't help the industry AAA market.

 

They really need to re-think it. At 60$ you think about it twice before buying a game. Specially since for the same price you can buy between 4 and 6 fully priced indie/self published games without all the DRM crap big publishers like to use. And some of them are really high quality titles like the self published Shadowrun Returns sold at 20$ i think and the indie game Legend of Grimrock sold at 15$ i think. Both games have good gfx and enough content to challenge a good chunk of the AAA titles for a fraction of the price. It's amazing that Legend of Grimrock was made by 4 people only and achieve such great technical qualities.

 

They need to aim for smaller teams and focus on gameplay and replayability. A return to the 50$ launch price would not hurt either. The way they are doing things these days they need to sell too much copies to make money.

 

By playing indie and self published title in the last 2 years i was able to find again what was lost in today's video game industry. Originality. AAA games are so cookie cutter these days. Most of them are open world or boring easy made for n00b fps.

 

A game like Limbo is worth 5 AAA titles. It is short but the art is so great. THis game has a soul. Most AAA titles don't.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 16:16

Is Sony still in financial trouble?

they're projected to lose 1 billion in 2014....so yeah, I suppose. 



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 16:17

Is Sony still in financial trouble?


Very much so, yes. This is just part of their ongoing efforts to reign it all in. Their entertainment division might be doing alright, but as a whole, they're hemorrhaging assets to try and recoup losses and get on an even footing. That unfortunately is going to bleed into the entertainment division as evidenced by these layoffs, among others.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 17:50

When looking at Sony remember they do have the most 1st party studios, many more than MS and Nintendo who rely a lot on 3rd party.

 

Exactly.  Sony built up that war chest of developer stock back in the ps2 era and they have ridden that wave ever since.  MS could never match the sheer amount of developers due to the cost that such an attempt would require. 



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 21:46

FYI, Guerilla Cambridge isn't the company behind Killzone: Shadowfall.  They're a satellite campus that did some the Vita Killzone, and the old Medieval games.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 10:56

Its Sony's TV and PC divisions that are losing money. Entertainment and PlayStation divisions are making money.

In regards to these developer layoff I think its more to do with the development cycle, they hire more people to try push out a game release and once majority or all of the work is done they let them go and keep the core group.

PS4 is the fastest selling next-gen console and has sold more units than all the other next-gen consoles including the Wii U which had a years head start in sales, I think its safe to say its not in any trouble.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 13:07

Its Sony's TV and PC divisions that are losing money. Entertainment and PlayStation divisions are making money.

In regards to these developer layoff I think its more to do with the development cycle, they hire more people to try push out a game release and once majority or all of the work is done they let them go and keep the core group.

PS4 is the fastest selling next-gen console and has sold more units than all the other next-gen consoles including the Wii U which had a years head start in sales, I think its safe to say its not in any trouble.

 

Selling loads of consoles does not necessarily equal financial succes. It's not like Sony (or MS) is making tons of money on each console sold.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 15:18

Exactly.  Sony built up that war chest of developer stock back in the ps2 era and they have ridden that wave ever since.  MS could never match the sheer amount of developers due to the cost that such an attempt would require.

 
 

Its Sony's TV and PC divisions that are losing money. Entertainment and PlayStation divisions are making money.
In regards to these developer layoff I think its more to do with the development cycle, they hire more people to try push out a game release and once majority or all of the work is done they let them go and keep the core group.
PS4 is the fastest selling next-gen console and has sold more units than all the other next-gen consoles including the Wii U which had a years head start in sales, I think its safe to say its not in any trouble.


The company as a whole is losing money though. They're not likely to cut a bunch of things from a division that's making money first, but if they don't turn it around, you can bet their entertainment division will be affected. You can say this round is due to dev cycle and that may well be part of it, but I'd be willing to bet if the company wasn't doing so poorly, they wouldn't have bothered laying them off right now. I don't want Sony to do poorly, but you can't just cover your ears because the division you care about is doing well. There's a big picture in there you're ignoring.



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