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Round 2...FIGHT!

 

Apple provided an overarching vision of its legal attack against Samsung today, a case it's filed to win $2 billion in damages, and get Samsung's products removed from store shelves. Once again that plan centers around a handful of patents for smartphone and tablet features Apple says Samsung knowingly took and implemented in its own products.

 

At the heart of Apple's argument is that the company changed the very face of consumer electronics with the iPhone in 2007, and risked nearly everything in the process. Moreover, Apple says Samsung took the fast track to success, copying many of its features and making billions in the process. That's identical to the argument Apple successfully pulled off in its first US trial against Samsung, however this new trial involves a different group of products and five other patents, which Apple claims is just the tip of the iceberg of Samsung's copying.

 

"Samsung copied many many features, but there are limits in what we can accomplish in a trial," said Harold McElhinny, a partner at Morrison Foerster, the law firm representing Apple. "We can't try 50 patents," he added. Instead the company is using five of its patents, which it says were infringed on more than 37 million phones and tablets that were sold by Samsung since August 2011. Apple wants $2 billion in damages for those five patents, based on what its expert has estimated would have been negotiated between the two companies as part of a licensing deal.

 

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http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/1/5566668/apple-lays-out-its-case-against-samsung-says-50-patents-could-have-been-at-stake

 

 

While I think Samsung needs to be knocked down a notch, I do think they would of agreed to a licensing deal with Apple if Apple's rates were reasonable.  They wanted to charge Samsung way to much while offering others far less.   Pretty ridiculous this issue with A vs S as been going on for so long.  Samsung surged ahead starting with the S1, which does look a lot like the iPhone.  But Samsung got users hooked then and now it seems people, some people, buy products with little reason other than it is Samsung.  If Samsung does get knocked down, will just make HTC (which the new One is getting pretty darn good reviews), Moto (again, getting good reviews) and others to make more of an impact in the market.

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I hope Samsung burns.  All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone.  I'm not even an Apple fanatic but it's honestly that obvious.  All you have to see is that chart of how their phones and tablets looked before the iPhone1 and iPad and then after.

 

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I hope Samsung burns.  All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone. 

 

As long as they are not stealing anyone's IP, then copying really isnt a big deal. 

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I hope Samsung burns. All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone. I'm not even an Apple fanatic but it's honestly that obvious. All you have to see is that chart of how their phones and tablets looked before the iPhone1 and iPad and then after.

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It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple. Apple is nowhere near innocent in the whole copying business but no one does it as often or as obvious as Samsung. They should be punished, severely.

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It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple. Apple is nowhere near innocent in the whole copying business but no one does it as often or as obvious as Samsung. They should be punished, severely.

 

do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation. 

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do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation.

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There are countless companies 'copying' others, and not just in the technology markets. It goes on and on. If anything, I'd like to think it pushes companies to try and innovate the next big thing and drive evolution.

You could say apple copied alot of iOS features from Symbian... But who'd want to believe that, who even uses Symbian.

Audien - Samsung were a successful company before they entered the mobile media market anyway. Just like apple were. Silly argument.

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Audien - Samsung were a successful company before they entered the mobile media market anyway. Just like apple were. Silly argument.

 

That's totally irrelevant to this legal case.

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That's totally irrelevant to this legal case.

As is your claim that all Samsung's success came from 'copying' apple products.

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do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation.

Awesome. I'll be glad to discuss those other important world issues in their own thread. This one is about the current lawsuit between Apple and Samsung. Thanks for making yourself look "silly" by attacking someone else's opinion.

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It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple.

 

What cracks me up is the need for a company to patent square plugs and how something is packaged.  Those things make little to no difference to the consumer.

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What cracks me up is the need for a company to patent square plugs and how something is packaged.  Those things make little to no difference to the consumer.

Why would they need to patent it? If I was accused of copying as much as Samsung, I would try and have my products look very different.

What cracks me up is people that see pictures, such as the one above, that clearly show how similar Samsung products look to Apples and can still ignore it.

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Why would they need to patent it? If I was accused of copying as much as Samsung, I would try and have my products look very different.

 

Point was, Apple patented the packaging and I believe the plug and was using that at one time to go after Samsung.  Just seems silly to fight/patent something insignificant.

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i'm not an apple fan, but at this point, i just want samsung to fall.  

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Point was, Apple patented the packaging and I believe the plug and was using that at one time to go after Samsung. Just seems silly to fight/patent something insignificant.

More silly than to copy?

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mine is bigger than yours. . . :woot:

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As is your claim that all Samsung's success came from 'copying' apple products.

 

I don't think it's farfetched to say that much of the Nexus line's successes are a result of innovations and risks taken by Apple initially.  I'm certainly not saying all - OLEDs, different cameras, NFC and so forth obviously don't fit that bucket.

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More silly than to copy?

It's all silly.

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I don't think it's farfetched to say that much of the Nexus line's successes are a result of innovations and risks taken by Apple initially.  I'm certainly not saying all - OLEDs, different cameras, NFC and so forth obviously don't fit that bucket.

They've had the same basic design for how many iterations and they're innnovative.  How is that taking a risk as well.  They find a product that works and ride it until it dies.  Same goes for the iPod. 

 

It's more about locking people into a device, then they don't want to move away and lose all they bought on iTunes. 

 

I'll admit they've done some good things, but they definitely weren't pushing the envelope on hardware, at least until the latest iPad and iPhone came out. 

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I'll admit they've done some good things, but they definitely weren't pushing the envelope on hardware, at least until the latest iPad and iPhone came out.

The first iPhone was a huge innovation jump, and therefore a huge risk at that. You need to understand the risks with releasing something brand new.

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The first iPhone was a huge innovation jump, and therefore a huge risk at that. You need to understand the risks with releasing something brand new.

For apple, not mobile phone technology. Some Nokia smartphones were well infront feature wise before the release of the first iPhone and remained infront well afterward too.

-But saying Apple limited themselves because of risk isn't here nor there, any company, anywhere in any market releasing new products is at risk, that's the gamble they take on making a profit or running at a loss. I don't see how that would limit features in the first gen phones when all of what they could do and more so on other platforms had already been proven.

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I want to see Samsung fail at the patent that I'm sure Apple has: Making their platform closed source, and non-friendly to software modification. If they could be forced to remove Knox I'd be happy!

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I'm not sure what's sillier. 2 giant corporations slugging it out over who copied whom when both are guilty of it, or consumers siding with one company or the other when neither company gives a damn about said consumers.

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I hope Samsung burns.  All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone.  I'm not even an Apple fanatic but it's honestly that obvious.  All you have to see is that chart of how their phones and tablets looked before the iPhone1 and iPad and then after.

 

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Do you know about LG KE850 Prada or Samsung F700? Check it out first. Prada was released before Apple filed patents. Similarly, Samsung released F700 in Feb 2007.

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Do you know about LG KE850 Prada or Samsung F700? Check it out first. Prada was released before Apple filed patents. Similarly, Samsung released F700 in Feb 2007.

And ofcourse-- LG is not on trial... SAMSUNG is.. That product is not prior art....

The F700 is  not a "SMART" phone and therefore can not be compared to the Iphone or so the argument goes. Which was ruled out as Prior art through the first trial. That and It is not a touch phone and also is a slide phone if I am not mistaken.

 

  I still stand behind this patent... Which conveniently was never renewed?? about 2 years before Apple filed their patent.

 

http://www.google.com/patents/USD337569

 

Which both would bring into question of prior shape/design of both the Iphone and the Ipad - but then again Patents from 1993 are not admissible.

And this patent is for 

an electronic notebook for data entry

 

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The first iPhone was a huge innovation jump, and therefore a huge risk at that. You need to understand the risks with releasing something brand new.

 

Being able to patent how someat like a phone looks is rediculous. Its a phone how many different ways can you make a phone look (apart from nokia cus they own), non of that stuff is enforceable in Europe as any trade dress related patents were quickly dismissed. Apple may have created the first smartphone that appealed to mass market but then they stagnated rapidly making very small changes and stuff that was in phones 20-30 years ago wasnt in iOS and took them years to add it. Now they dont take risks whatso ever they let other companies like samsung take risks on screen size, making phablets etc then apple sit back and see how well it does then make a big deal out of having a bigger screen even when they repeatedly stated 3.5inch was perfect, then 4inch was perfect now theres rumours the iphone 6 will be like 4.5-4.8 inches.

 

Apple may have created the first mass appeal smartphone but doesnt mean no one else can create something. There just hurt that other companies are doing better than they are and the main reason for that is cus they want to hang on to there premium feel which cuts them out of alot of developing countries and whereas samsung and nokia have a phone for every market segment they want there products stopped but theyd never switch to iphone cus its far to expensive for those ppl.  Look at the 5C, thats was basically a rebranded iphone 5 wanted to target the lower segment but priced it at a rediculous amount for there target market.

 

So its there own fault samsung is doing so well also i heard they blatantly copied androids notification system to so there hypocrites at best.  I know youll disagree with me cus you always do, doesnt make me wrong though

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