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#1 +techbeck

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 18:57

Round 2...FIGHT!

 

Apple provided an overarching vision of its legal attack against Samsung today, a case it's filed to win $2 billion in damages, and get Samsung's products removed from store shelves. Once again that plan centers around a handful of patents for smartphone and tablet features Apple says Samsung knowingly took and implemented in its own products.

 

At the heart of Apple's argument is that the company changed the very face of consumer electronics with the iPhone in 2007, and risked nearly everything in the process. Moreover, Apple says Samsung took the fast track to success, copying many of its features and making billions in the process. That's identical to the argument Apple successfully pulled off in its first US trial against Samsung, however this new trial involves a different group of products and five other patents, which Apple claims is just the tip of the iceberg of Samsung's copying.

 

"Samsung copied many many features, but there are limits in what we can accomplish in a trial," said Harold McElhinny, a partner at Morrison Foerster, the law firm representing Apple. "We can't try 50 patents," he added. Instead the company is using five of its patents, which it says were infringed on more than 37 million phones and tablets that were sold by Samsung since August 2011. Apple wants $2 billion in damages for those five patents, based on what its expert has estimated would have been negotiated between the two companies as part of a licensing deal.

 

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While I think Samsung needs to be knocked down a notch, I do think they would of agreed to a licensing deal with Apple if Apple's rates were reasonable.  They wanted to charge Samsung way to much while offering others far less.   Pretty ridiculous this issue with A vs S as been going on for so long.  Samsung surged ahead starting with the S1, which does look a lot like the iPhone.  But Samsung got users hooked then and now it seems people, some people, buy products with little reason other than it is Samsung.  If Samsung does get knocked down, will just make HTC (which the new One is getting pretty darn good reviews), Moto (again, getting good reviews) and others to make more of an impact in the market.




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Posted 01 April 2014 - 19:45

I hope Samsung burns.  All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone.  I'm not even an Apple fanatic but it's honestly that obvious.  All you have to see is that chart of how their phones and tablets looked before the iPhone1 and iPad and then after.

 

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 20:01

I hope Samsung burns.  All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone. 

 

As long as they are not stealing anyone's IP, then copying really isnt a big deal. 



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 20:20

I hope Samsung burns. All their success is a result of copying the original iPhone. I'm not even an Apple fanatic but it's honestly that obvious. All you have to see is that chart of how their phones and tablets looked before the iPhone1 and iPad and then after.

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It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple. Apple is nowhere near innocent in the whole copying business but no one does it as often or as obvious as Samsung. They should be punished, severely.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 20:31

It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple. Apple is nowhere near innocent in the whole copying business but no one does it as often or as obvious as Samsung. They should be punished, severely.

 

do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation. 



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 20:43

do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation.

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There are countless companies 'copying' others, and not just in the technology markets. It goes on and on. If anything, I'd like to think it pushes companies to try and innovate the next big thing and drive evolution.

You could say apple copied alot of iOS features from Symbian... But who'd want to believe that, who even uses Symbian.

Audien - Samsung were a successful company before they entered the mobile media market anyway. Just like apple were. Silly argument.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 20:55

Audien - Samsung were a successful company before they entered the mobile media market anyway. Just like apple were. Silly argument.

 

That's totally irrelevant to this legal case.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 21:01

That's totally irrelevant to this legal case.


As is your claim that all Samsung's success came from 'copying' apple products.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:28

do you realize how silly you sound? There are a lot more pressing issues that are more important in the world, and here you are bickering over what multibillion dollar corporations are upto. Its a "soap opera" that will just never end. The transfer of money or the banning of their products is NOT going to really change anything. Both of these companies' phones have been quite stale in terms innovation.


Awesome. I'll be glad to discuss those other important world issues in their own thread. This one is about the current lawsuit between Apple and Samsung. Thanks for making yourself look "silly" by attacking someone else's opinion.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:30

It's not only that, but the USB cables, boxes and some of their stores look almost EXACTLY like Apple.

 

What cracks me up is the need for a company to patent square plugs and how something is packaged.  Those things make little to no difference to the consumer.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:33

What cracks me up is the need for a company to patent square plugs and how something is packaged.  Those things make little to no difference to the consumer.


Why would they need to patent it? If I was accused of copying as much as Samsung, I would try and have my products look very different.

What cracks me up is people that see pictures, such as the one above, that clearly show how similar Samsung products look to Apples and can still ignore it.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:38

Why would they need to patent it? If I was accused of copying as much as Samsung, I would try and have my products look very different.

 

Point was, Apple patented the packaging and I believe the plug and was using that at one time to go after Samsung.  Just seems silly to fight/patent something insignificant.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:44

i'm not an apple fan, but at this point, i just want samsung to fall.  



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 22:57

Point was, Apple patented the packaging and I believe the plug and was using that at one time to go after Samsung. Just seems silly to fight/patent something insignificant.


More silly than to copy?

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 23:00

mine is bigger than yours. . . :woot: