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#16 DocM

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:25

The Monroe Doctrine was a US foreign policy regarding Latin American countries in the early 19th century. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention. At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries.

Russia, not a regional power here, + Cuba = revolutionary intrusion in neighboring countries for 40+ years = raw nerve.

Our activities in Europe are directly related to 1) most of us having backgrounds there and 2) Europe's regular seppuku attempts and habit of setting up the next war by retributions for the last one. Many of us are unconvinced it won't happen again without structures like NATO etc.


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:35

Russia, not a regional power here, + Cuba = revolutionary intrusion in neighboring countries for 40+ years = raw nerve.

Our activities in Europe are directly related to 1) most of us having backgrounds there and 2) Europe's regular seppuku attempts and habit of setting up the next war by retributions for the last one. Many of us are unconvinced it won't happen again without structures like NATO etc.

 

Why should that bother you?  It's not like you guys lifted a finger to help your allies until after YOU got attacked, too...



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:48

Go back to your history books. Roosevelt sent material aid to the Brits once they showed they would act to prevent the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir from falling into German hands, which was before Pearl Harbor. We became directly involved after Germany declared war on us after Pearl Harbor because of their mutual defense treaty with Japan.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:57

Correction. Roosevelt SOLD us material aid. He sent diddly squat out of the kindness of his heart.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 13:06

It really isn't surprising to see yet another revelation about the US interfering in the affairs of other nations. The US is completely hypocritical in its foreign policy. Cuba is a classic example, as the US stationed nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe in a stance against Russia yet threatened a nuclear holocaust when Russia attempted the same thing with Cuba.

 

Why should that bother you?  It's not like you guys lifted a finger to help your allies until after YOU got attacked, too...

And it was the US embargo against Japan that forced it to respond militarily.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 13:10

Correction. Roosevelt SOLD us material aid. He sent diddly squat out of the kindness of his heart.

Lend-Lease provided support at a 90%+ discount and with a 40 year term. This was only required because direct free support couldn't get through an isolationist Congress. In Reverse Lend-Lease Britain billed the US for services, air base rentals etc.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 13:47

....the US stationed nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe in a stance against Russia yet threatened a nuclear holocaust when Russia attempted the same thing with Cuba.

The 15 Jupiter missiles in Turkey were obsolete and coming out that year anyhow. A little problem with them partially arming themselves after lightning strikes and a Bulgarian MIG almost crashing on the base. Russia overreached when they perceived weakness in Kennedy after his first summit.

And it was the US embargo against Japan that forced it to respond militarily.

We embargoed them because of previous bad acts over a whole decade, their invasion of numerous nations, many allies, and we were in active negotiations over our differences when they blindsided us. Yeah, nice guys.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 14:46

Lend-Lease provided support at a 90%+ discount and with a 40 year term. This was only required because direct free support couldn't get through an isolationist Congress. In Reverse Lend-Lease Britain billed the US for services, air base rentals etc.

 

Allies are meant to help allies at times of need, not charge them.

 

Did we charge Poland a penny for coming to their aid?  Nope.  Your congress sucks at helping friends.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 15:09

It's our business when they try to export mischief to the rest of the Caribbean and Central America. See Monroe Doctrine.

They have no choice, we have a 99 year exclisive lease to gitmo.

 

Americans complaining about other nations exporting "mischief"... ohh.. that's good. 


The Monroe Doctrine was a US foreign policy regarding Latin American countries in the early 19th century. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention. At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries.

 

So Americans have broken that numerous times then...



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 15:50

Allies are meant to help allies at times of need, not charge them.

 

Did we charge Poland a penny for coming to their aid?  Nope.  Your congress sucks at helping friends.

 

The issue was to get around a Congress.  Remember though, any bases that were setup et all in Great Britain were not free either.  So we "charged" England for those options, and England "charged" the United States for the access required to use those options. 

 

I do not think that Poland charged England any rent for where the soldiers were stationed.

 

It was a way to pass funny money around so there was no real cost.

 

 

 

*Now the whole point about Congress sucking et all is a completely different story.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 18:07

Lend-Lease provided support at a 90%+ discount and with a 40 year term. This was only required because direct free support couldn't get through an isolationist Congress.

A deal that the US unilaterally pulled out of at the end of the war in violation of the contract, with the cargo ships enroute held to ransom. The only concern the US had was profit.

 

The 15 Jupiter missiles in Turkey were obsolete and coming out that year anyhow. A little problem with them partially arming themselves after lightning strikes and a Bulgarian MIG almost crashing on the base. Russia overreached when they perceived weakness in Kennedy after his first summit.

Whether they were "obsolete" is irrelevant, as the US was still positioning weapons against Russia.

 

We embargoed them because of previous bad acts over a whole decade, their invasion of numerous nations, many allies, and we were in active negotiations over our differences when they blindsided us. Yeah, nice guys.

I think Cuba and Russia would argue the same thing about the US.

 

The US actively meddles in the affairs of other nations and acts indignantly when others do the same. Cuba is of no concern to the US yet still it actively meddles in its affairs.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 18:58

Cuba is of concern to us when it tries to destabilize our neighbors and facilitates drug traffickers.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 19:09

Cuba is of concern to us when it tries to destabilize our neighbors and facilitates drug traffickers.


You're doing a million times better job at that yourself than a backwater island with no limited communications and traffic to those neighbors. Seriously...

Fix your own problems, don't blame it on others and meddle in their affairs, history tells us that every time you guys try to fix a country it ends up worse off than it was, and worse than that, it ends up worse for the rest of the world and more dangerous for the rest of the world, so please stop trying to fix things, you guys suck at it.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 19:10

Cuba is of concern to us when it tries to destabilize our neighbors and facilitates drug traffickers.


Like CIA and Contra affair?

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 19:12

Go back to your history books. Roosevelt sent material aid to the Brits once they showed they would act to prevent the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir from falling into German hands, which was before Pearl Harbor. We became directly involved after Germany declared war on us after Pearl Harbor because of their mutual defense treaty with Japan.

From the start of the war the US been supporting us in the war. They couldn't get their general public ready for a full blown war without Pearl Harbor. German subs took down hundreds of US cargo ships.

The public had little interest in what happened in Europe until the US got hit. If it wasn't for help from the US, the UK would've fallen years before the end. And Iceland would've sucked to put pressure on the AXIS forces from the west side.

 

No matter what, IMO the US deserves 0 disrespect when it comes on handling/helping their allies in WW2.