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#31 ensiform

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:28

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LIVABLE INCOME. These aren't the jobs they used to be filled with teenagers, you have adults working here getting screwed over because of that stereotype. Food service workers should earn more than bank tellers!

No it is not meant to be a job to support full cost of living.  Yes, people have turned it into as such but regardless, not really valid as a single job at lower than management or corporate level.  It's not the employer's job to pay you more simply because of your life situations.
 

That's the mentality that ruins it for everyone. Do you honestly think that people should accept that instead of being offered a living wage we could just get someone else who will put up with it until it too effects them to the point they want to strike. There has to be a point where people who work should expect to survive.
 
All you are saying is that "People who are currently earning $0 find $7.25 more acceptable, until they realise what they are doing for that and then they complain, and the cycle repeats" Ask yourself, why is this problem continuing to cycle? Are these people greedy? Or maybe, just maybe, they actually have a valid point people who don't work the jobs do not realise.


And even if they get this pay increase, the cycle will still continue when cost of living increases beyond it once again.  Big Corporate America at its finest.




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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:29

Bank tellers should technically earn less than food service employees, they only deal with money. Food service employees handle money, food, clean the store, manage inventory, deal with customers, etc.

Food service workers should earn more than bank tellers!


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

IMO blue collar workers contribute way more than white collar workers. Not to say that white collar workers aren't important, but they definitely do not deserve the wage difference they receive, but since they are the ones who set the wages it's hard to fight this difference.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:29

Let it happen. If they hate their job, they can find a new one. God knows they don't pay those of us in the military minimum wage, and we have no choice once we get to boot camp to leave, until the end of our contract. And trust me, most of the people in the military didn't know exactly what they were in for until a year or so.

 

So these fast food workers can cry all they want. They don't do anything that rates $15 an hour. I get $19 an hour to work with jet fuel and repair diesel trucks, with high risk of injury (two injuries in 8 months at work). 

 

If they get $15 an hour, they better have the best damn customer service and "chefs" around (the food better be perfect).

 

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:31

Now this reminds me of that SpongeBob Squarepants episode. You know which one.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:34

Now this reminds me of that SpongeBob Squarepants episode. You know which one.

I don't remember, which one!?



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:37

No it is not meant to be a job to support full cost of living.  Yes, people have turned it into as such but regardless, not really valid as a single job at lower than management or corporate level.  It's not the employer's job to pay you more simply because of your life situations.
 


And even if they get this pay increase, the cycle will still continue when cost of living increases beyond it once again.  Big Corporate America at its finest.

Yes it is, even when it was created it was stated as such by the creators.

 

“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.” (1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act)

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.


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Ok, so people who have machines count money and make sure its not stolen should earn more money than people who manually count money, and still have to make sure it doesn't get stolen while also cooking a burger, filling a drink, maintaining inventory, and the countless other tasks they complete deserve less? Food service workers have much more responsibility.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:39

I don't remember, which one!?

http://spongebob.wik...Squid_on_Strike



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:41

Ok, so people who have machines count money and make sure its not stolen should earn more money than people who manually count money, and still have to make sure it doesn't get stolen while also cooking a burger, filling a drink, maintaining inventory, and the countless other tasks they complete deserve less? Food service workers have much more responsibility.


1. The guy making your burger, isn't the guy at the counter.

2. Wages aren't based on who does the most or hardest work. They're based on how valuable (ie your skills) and irreplaceable you are to the company. Someone making burgers is neither valuable or irreplaceable. I could go to the Amazon find a monkey spend $50 training said monkey and get it to make me better burgers than half the people working at fast food places do. I'd also win a noble prize for being able to pass on human skills to a monkey, but that's just a bonus. Bank tellers may do an "easier" job but they're a lot harder to replace. You'll find most banks require things like good credit, no criminal history, sales experience etc. This makes you more valuable and harder to replace, so your wages are a little bit higher too.

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:44

Let it happen. If they hate their job, they can find a new one. God knows they don't pay those of us in the military minimum wage, and we have no choice once we get to boot camp to leave, until the end of our contract. And trust me, most of the people in the military didn't know exactly what they were in for until a year or so.

 

So these fast food workers can cry all they want. They don't do anything that rates $15 an hour. I get $19 an hour to work with jet fuel and repair diesel trucks, with high risk of injury (two injuries in 8 months at work). 

 

If they get $15 an hour, they better have the best damn customer service and "chefs" around (the food better be perfect).

Military personnel at the rank of E1 makes around $1500 a month. Minimum wage workers working 35 hours a week earn a bit over $1000, which is what soldiers learn during training. I believe, but may be wrong on this fact, you can easily become an E4 ($2000) by taking classes within a year, and you get 2x pay during any battlefield duties.

 

1. The guy making your burger, isn't the guy at the counter.

2. Wages aren't based on who does the most or hardest work. They're based on how valuable (ie your skills) and irreplaceable you are to the company. Someone making burgers is neither valuable or irreplaceable. I could go to the Amazon find a monkey spend $50 training said monkey and get it to make me better burgers than half the people working at fast food places do. I'd also win a noble prize for being able to pass on human skills to a monkey, but that's just a bonus. Bank tellers may do an "easier" job but they're a lot harder to replace. You'll find most banks require things like good credit, no criminal history, sales experience etc. This makes you more valuable and harder to replace, so your wages are a little bit higher too.

 

At some places they are the same person, these places are understaffed and employees share stations and responsibilities.

 

Tellers are just as replaceable as cashiers,the same skillset and prerequisites are required, unless you are somehow stating that the majority of people in food service are criminals with no method to be able to sell the services they are already selling. People are people and in this case the skills and history of the person are the same, just one sells money and one sells food.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:48

Have any of you gotten a raise for doing the same thing over the years; sort of a cost of living increase?  Well people on minimum wage haven't received a decent cost of living adjustment for a very long time.

 

Just because flipping burgers or salting fries doesn't justify a increase in minimum wage for such a menial task I hope you're happy with your tax dollars are being spent on them for welfare.  So you are either going pay for their increase in a small increase in the item you purchase which you can avoid by not shopping there or pay through your taxes that you cannot avoid.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:49

That's the mentality that ruins it for everyone. Do you honestly think that people should accept that instead of being offered a living wage we could just get someone else who will put up with it until it too effects them to the point they want to strike. There has to be a point where people who work should expect to survive.

 

All you are saying is that "People who are currently earning $0 find $7.25 more acceptable, until they realise what they are doing for that and then they complain, and the cycle repeats" Ask yourself, why is this problem continuing to cycle? Are these people greedy? Or maybe, just maybe, they actually have a valid point people who don't work the jobs do not realize.

Living on your own at $7 an hour is extremely difficult no doubt in that especially when you don't get the hours.  The system is broken either way, but minimum wage jobs are not career jobs unless you rise up in management positions.  Most people just flounder at the bottom and don't live within their means, or hop from job to job at that pay scale.  And as you say, if fast food is the only sector that's hiring, you don't raise the wage to a crazy amount for that sector just to "fix" things.  You fix the ultimate problem, hiring elsewhere!  So that the people that are working minimum wage and can't get a higher paying job but are capable, can.

 

These arguments can go round and round.  No one ever wins.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:52

People take the jobs they can get, there is an abundance of grads that cant get work, bots are taking up casheir posts now, the rich are getting richer the divide is wider, I hope the workers manage to kick international corp butt, fight the bots... ;)

Those grads choose the wrong field of study to go in that's why they cant find work. No one told you to be a philosophy or political science major when there aren't any jobs for that hardly. They need to stop offering dead end degrees as choices in school to prevent this.


The big problem is that workers wrongly think these types of jobs are meant to support entire families.

 

Wage compensation is only to cover individual employees.

I wouldn't even say individual employees but more so something to do while in college or high school even just to have a little extra cash and to learn some responsibility while the parents support the bigger costing things such as school and medical insurance. These jobs in no way should be anyone's sole means of income.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:55

Living on your own at $7 an hour is extremely difficult no doubt in that especially when you don't get the hours.  The system is broken either way, but minimum wage jobs are not career jobs unless you rise up in management positions.  Most people just flounder at the bottom and don't live within their means, or hop from job to job at that pay scale.  And as you say, if fast food is the only sector that's hiring, you don't raise the wage to a crazy amount for that sector just to "fix" things.  You fix the ultimate problem, hiring elsewhere!  So that the people that are working minimum wage and can't get a higher paying job but are capable, can.

 

These arguments can go round and round.  No one ever wins.

The solution to the problem is solve another problem ignoring the one at hand! We need a fast solution and long term solution, the fast solution is to raise the minimum wage, the long term solution is to entice companies to bring jobs here instead of where minimum wages is .20c an hour. They should atleast give a living wage, as that was what it was designed for, which today is around $15 an hour.

 

Those grads choose the wrong field of study to go in that's why they cant find work. No one told you to be a philosophy or political science major when there aren't any jobs for that hardly. They need to stop offering dead end degrees as choices in school to prevent this.

Yes, because that is the only problem! /s

People with degrees in other fields are struggling too, all fields are struggling except for the tech and service industries.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:55

These jobs in no way should be anyone's sole means of income.

 

Just a question, why and who says?



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:56

Military personnel at the rank of E1 makes around $1500 a month. Minimum wage workers working 35 hours a week earn a bit over $1000, which is what soldiers learn during training. I believe, but may be wrong on this fact, you can easily become an E4 ($2000) by taking classes within a year, and you get 2x pay during any battlefield duties.

 
 

At some places they are the same person, these places are understaffed and employees share stations and responsibilities.

 

Tellers are just as replaceable as cashiers,the same skillset and prerequisites are required, unless you are somehow stating that the majority of people in food service are criminals with no method to be able to sell the services they are already selling. People are people and in this case the skills and history of the person are the same, just one sells money and one sells food.

Promotion in the Marine Corps is very slow, unless you kiss a lot of ass. Classes have nothing to do with promotions in my branch, unlike the Navy. I worked 12 hour shifts every day, with often having no weekends for a month every few months. That adds to less than $7.00/hour.

 

Edit: Not to mention unless you are in a ###### neighborhood, being in the military is more dangerous than being a fast food worker.