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A Sudanese court has sentenced a woman to hang for apostasy after she left Islam and married a Christian man.

"We gave you three days to recant but you insist on not returning to Islam. I sentence you to be hanged to death," the judge told the woman, AFP reports.

Human rights group Amnesty International condemned the sentence as "appalling and abhorrent".

Local media report the sentence would not be carried out for two years after she has given birth.

Sudan has a majority Muslim population, which is governed by Islamic law. It rules that apostasy - the abandonment of one's religious faith - is a crime.

Western embassies and rights groups had urged Sudan to respect the right of the pregnant woman to choose her religion.

The judge also sentenced the woman to 100 lashes after convicting her of adultery - because her marriage to a Christian man was not valid under Islamic law.

This will reportedly be carried out when she has recovered from giving birth.

Earlier in the hearing, an Islamic cleric spoke with her in a caged dock for about 30 minutes, AFP reports.

Then she calmly told the judge: "I am a Christian and I never committed apostasy."

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A terrible law, you should be able to have your beliefs if you want, but if it is the law of the country then she should have considered her options. Would she have had the option to leave the country to somewhere more accepting?

If you carry on through the article, it does go on to say that death sentences are rarely carried out in Sudan, and that her lawyers are going to go to a higher court to try and get the sentence overturned.

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to add more information, for those who might not read the article, she is the daughter of a Muslim father and Christian mother.  Her dad left them when she was young and she was raised a Christian, hence her marrying a Christian man.  In the eyes of Sudan, since her father was a Muslim, she's a Muslim and thus was never allowed to marry a Christian man and so now we are here.  She's in jail right now with a child she already has, that she is breastfeeding I believe, and she's pregnant now.     Most people will agree that they will not attempt to kill her while she is pregnant, but obviously the fear is this woman might be in jail for two years until the next child is out and then will be killed.

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But... Muslims would never do such a thing! The Qu'ran says people can leave Islam if they want, right?  It's a religion of peace!

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The Qu'ran says people can leave Islam if they want, right?

There is an analysis in the article that says that there are two trains of thought on whether apostasy is a crime or not. One group of people refer to this:

There shall be no compulsion in religion.

But others refer to what Muhammed said:

It is not permissible to spill the blood of a Muslim except in three [instances]: A life for a life; a married person who commits adultery; and one who forsakes his religion and separates from the community.


The latter group's thinking is more dominant in Sudan. However that isn't the point. At the end of the day if it is the law of the country then it should be followed, regardless of its origins or what I think about it. I'm not sure how easy it is to change the law in Sudan, but that would probably be a starting point. Like any other country, laws can become outdated and need ammending. Of course, if the government feels that this law should remain in effect then that is their choice.
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but, she was always christian, so she never abandoned her faith.

 

oh wait, that uses reason....

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its the Sudan.....

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Sigh.....  :(  :crazy:  :angry:

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Sudan people need a better hobby.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIbgd5qcrg

she's buried chest high her arms can't stop the stones that fly or wipe the tears that have already dried for a crime she so persistently denied she's buried chest deep the moderates asleep no matter how hard she weeps worth half of a man, her testimony's cheap Allah subhana wa ta3ala has come up with such a fair rule dictators of history couldn't be so cruel told by mohammed sallahu 3alhe wa salam teaching us allah's divine referendum what becomes of those who have a sip of rum drinks to forget or wants to be numb or those who play the game of chance poker buddies escaping the religious trance allah's prescribed in his merciful script their flesh be ripped their blood be dripped at the tip of a muslims whip

she's buried chest high her arms can't stop the stones that fly or wipe the tears that have already dried for a crime she so persistently denied and this is allah's eternal reply 1400 years of backwards law a tragic flaw of the primitive claw the tribe of homosexuals koum lot as they say sharia is clear on how they should pay the price for their gay display life doesn't matter which way abu baker got them with a tumbling wall ali muhammad's cousin and son in law had people burned for their sexual call an entire village children and all

she's buried chest deep the moderates asleep no matter how hard she weeps worth half of a man her testimony's cheap apostates remember those who have bled to speak the word Muslims leave unsaid killed for the sake of those mislead submit now or be left dead allah subhana wa ta3ala has come up with such a fair rule the devil himself couldn't be so cruel she's buried chest high half way deep while the moderates are still fast asleep while the world stands silent her testimony's cheap. stones thrown by religious sheep.

witches were burned long ago til the flame of freedom began to glow and we learned to say the word 'no' no know that your laws are unjust not worthy of respect only disgust beheading those with a knifes thrust oh but in Allah we blindly trust she's buried head high in a heap of stones. no more crying no more moans all that's left is skin and bones

 

Allah has come up with such a fair call the true justice of sharia law
http://www.poetrygrrrl.com/sharia-law-shes-buried-chest-high-by-nessrriinn/

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Well done Islam.

 

You show what you are really about every single day when we see and hear these kind of stories.

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That's just fucking sick!

 

This is just like something from the backward medieval dark ages.

Move with the times morons, this isn't acceptable behavior anywhere in the modern world.

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That's just ####ing sick!

 

This is just like something from the backward medieval dark ages.

Move with the times morons, this isn't acceptable behavior anywhere in the modern world.

Well Islam is still stuck in 700 A.D.

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Religion of peace, indeed.  How revolting.

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I find it revoltingly ironic that her father isn't being charged with adultery for marrying a Christian woman. But I'm sure that rule only applies to women. 

 

Also, who the hell took her to court in the first place!?!

 

I just hope all the publicity this is getting will put pressure on Sudan to spare her.

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I find it revoltingly ironic that her father isn't being charged with adultery for marrying a Christian woman. But I'm sure that rule only applies to women. 

 

Also, who the hell took her to court in the first place!?!

 

I just hope all the publicity this is getting will put pressure on Sudan to spare her.

 

She's probably already dead. Those savages don't hang about.

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Well done Islam.

 

You show what you are really about every single day when we see and hear these kind of stories.

This is a flaw inherent in Abrahamic religions at best and religion as a whole at worst...

 

I don't think we should be pointing fingers at Islam alone, but at religion in general. The debate we should be having is about the role of religion and its tendency to cause so much undo suffering around the world.

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This is a flaw inherent in Abrahamic religions at best and religion as a whole at worst...

I don't think we should be pointing fingers at Islam alone, but at religion in general. The debate we should be having is about the role of religion and its tendency to cause so much undo suffering around the world.

In the other Abrahamic religions and other cultures s*** like this is increasingly rare to the point of disappearance. In the regressive forms of Islam it's increasingly common. Guess which really deserves your biased attentions?
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In the other Abrahamic religions and other cultures s*** like this is increasingly rare to the point of disappearance. In the regressive forms of Islam it's increasingly common. Guess which really deserves your biased attentions?

Not really, the cultures where religious violence, exclusion, and isolation are on the decline are also societies where religious participation is in decline. If you look at America, the Christian establishment is actively pushing for bizarre things such as rape victims being forced to raise the children of their attackers. There are pushes for "Christian" marriages to return to a period prior to women's suffrage and the wife should endure whatever crap her husband subjects her too; including abuse.

 

Of course, you're attempting to paint Islam as somehow worse than its siblings (Christianity and Judaism)... I don't see this to be the case... Religion in and of itself is flawed and has wreaked havoc on humanity for a very long time. It is a tool used by few to oppress many. Islam isn't any worse or better than Christianity, or any other religion...

 

The discussion really should be about the end of religion in its entirety. Not about who is worse today vs yesterday.

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Well done Islam.

 

You show what you are really about every single day when we see and hear these kind of stories.

 

So you just found a way to mock Islam..good for you. Do I have to remind you what people have done for christianity? Keep this SAWD out of here.

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Can we PLEASE just turn the middle east into a glass parking lot so the rest of the world can advance?

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Do I have to remind you what people have done for christianity? Keep this SAWD out of here.

 

Yes DONE, past tense, not anymore. Christianity moved on from all that nastyness, Islam hasn't.

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Yes DONE, past tense, not anymore. Christianity moved on from all that nastyness, Islam hasn't.

 

Doesnt matter. Thats not for you to decide nor anyone else other than themselves. Just because you dont accept it doesnt mean its wrong for them to live by. I dont accept any religion but I keep my mouth shut as well most of the times.

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There is a big difference between what people have done in the name of the Christian church compared to what Christ actually taught and how he lived his life. And related to this discussion, read the gospels and you'll find He treated women very differently than the cultures/religions of his day (and even some in our day), including the one He was the promised Messiah for... ie He valued them, unlike a lot of the male dominated human cultures in our past.

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So you just found a way to mock Islam..good for you. Do I have to remind you what people have done for christianity? Keep this SAWD out of here.

I am an agnostic and quite frankly will ignore you trying to label me as a xtian.

 

My closest religion is Judaism.

 

Never heard of a Jew strap explosives to his/ her body and detonate them in a crowded area or on a bus.

 

Never heard in Judaism of hanging a woman because she decided to marry a different faith.

 

Never heard in Judaism of a woman being submerged in a pit then have it filled up so she can't get out, then with just her head exposed so she can die from stones and rocks being thrown at her.

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Doesnt matter. Thats not for you to decide nor anyone else other than themselves. Just because you dont accept it doesnt mean its wrong for them to live by. I dont accept any religion but I keep my mouth shut as well most of the times.

 

Look, Ma, a cultural relativist....

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