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#136 elenarie

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 20:53

and then all of the sudan....

 

(Y) :laugh:

 

 

Christian cults stick to just shunning them from family, friends and everyone they know or they get shunned to... And a lot of them even then continue to try to force them back to the cult so they can keep brainwashing them...

 

Reminds me a lot of the Christians (not cults, but normal people) back home in Macedonia. If you don't agree with them, you're the devil himself. And they would keep trying to impose their crap upon you.




#137 Torolol

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 02:05

excommunication for apostasy are quite different to death penalty for apostasy ...

#138 mudslag

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:40

They don't care about the things in their countries, look at the rape stats and suicidal rates in Europe and US. Every 2 minues, a single american is raped and the rapist will not go to jail, heck the police will not be reported in most cases. This is the civilised society!

 

The stats which I quoted shows that 60% are not reported, what you are gonna say about that?

 

 

 

Im going to quote myself from the other thread where you asked about this and ignored the answer. 

 

 

Many go unreported because the victim is scared and/or ashamed for a number of reasons, almost always personal. It's not like the rapist is going to report themselves. So it comes down to the victim. So if it's never reported, then yes the rapist is obviously going to be walking around free. 



#139 HawkMan

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 12:39

Under reporting is also a much bigger issue in Muslim sharia law countries where the woman gets stoned for reporting her rape. talk about 99.9% non reported cases.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 13:16

There are too many people in this thread that know nothing about Sharia Law and how it is enforced or Islam in general yet they feel compelled to enlighten the rest of us. 



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 13:27

That woman was stupid to convert herself to the Christians without leaving that country. Its like bombing a building and then going to shop to the nearby market store.

Yeah.. Islam..



#142 compl3x

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 13:49

There are too many people in this thread that know nothing about Sharia Law and how it is enforced or Islam in general yet they feel compelled to enlighten the rest of us. 

 

So is the court wrong to impose this punishment according to Sharia or not? If they are wrong then they must be ignorant of the rules of their own religion.

 

Considering there are no shortage of example of ex-Muslims suffering death threats because of their apostasy it seems a lot of people are "unenlightened".

 



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 13:59

That woman was stupid to convert herself to the Christians without leaving that country. Its like bombing a building and then going to shop to the nearby market store.

Yeah.. Islam..

 

She didn't convert, she WAS christian, but the state didn't recognize her as a Christian. 



#144 Yazoo

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 14:09

So is the court wrong to impose this punishment according to Sharia or not? If they are wrong then they must be ignorant of the rules of their own religion.

 

Considering there are no shortage of example of ex-Muslims suffering death threats because of their apostasy it seems a lot of people are "unenlightened"

Sharia Law is quite diverse and is an interpretation or I should say many interpretations of the Quranic verses. Some follow the teachings that punishment should not carried out by humans for apostasy but it will be given in the afterlife.  Unfortunately majority follow the punishable on earth route.  Its not normally the ruling governments that carry out the threats or the executions, mostly its independent committees who feel they need to comply with their belief in the law. I know people here in the west really do not understand  Sharia but as its Islamic, hate it by default.   I'm no expert on the matter either by the way.  I don't believe death should be a punishment for any crime.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 14:43

All of that is irrelevant, any government who allows independent committees do dish out vigilante justice is corrupt at it's very root. And while you can have Islam without sharia, you can't have sharia without Islam.

I don't have a problem with Muslims, I have a problem with Islamic nations and people who use their religion to oppress, torture and hurt and control other people.

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:01

Religion of Peace my ass. Seriously why is this such an issue they have to kill people for it? Either way I blame the husband more so than the cultist. I have seen bits and pieces of this on the news and such but have yet to see why the couple are living in 2 different countries. Can someone enlighten me on why the husband left her essentially to die?



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:13

Not really, the cultures where religious violence, exclusion, and isolation are on the decline are also societies where religious participation is in decline. If you look at America, the Christian establishment is actively pushing for bizarre things such as rape victims being forced to raise the children of their attackers. There are pushes for "Christian" marriages to return to a period prior to women's suffrage and the wife should endure whatever crap her husband subjects her too; including abuse.

 

Of course, you're attempting to paint Islam as somehow worse than its siblings (Christianity and Judaism)... I don't see this to be the case... Religion in and of itself is flawed and has wreaked havoc on humanity for a very long time. It is a tool used by few to oppress many. Islam isn't any worse or better than Christianity, or any other religion...

 

The discussion really should be about the end of religion in its entirety. Not about who is worse today vs yesterday.

There is a huge different between Christianity and Islam. One evolved and the other one didn't. Seriously most Christians aren't going to just sit by and watch this kind of crap happen. Where as in the savage Islam nothing is done to stop crap like this from happening in the first place. I do agree that majority of it is the laws Christian countries have but again those were some what founded with Christianity in mind. From time to time there are a few crazies that try to do things like this in the name of Christ but the majority usually stops them, this never happens with Islam. If Islam was truly a religion of peace then their followers would be doing everything in their power to set the record straight and cleanup the image of the religion as a whole.



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:22

There is a huge different between Christianity and Islam. One evolved and the other one didn't. Seriously most Christians aren't going to just sit by and watch this kind of crap happen. Where as in the savage Islam nothing is done to stop crap like this from happening in the first place. I do agree that majority of it is the laws Christian countries have but again those were some what founded with Christianity in mind. From time to time there are a few crazies that try to do things like this in the name of Christ but the majority usually stops them, this never happens with Islam. If Islam was truly a religion of peace then their followers would be doing everything in their power to set the record straight and cleanup the image of the religion as a whole.

Xtianity was created just like Islam.

 

Same as Judaism and Paganism.

 

Media report on bad things for their own ends.

 

However, one human taking another humans life is not right.



#149 Gotenks98

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:22

Have you ever talked to Muslims in person? If you had you'd realise that yes, it is but a small yet vocal minority of Muslims who are fundamentalists, in favour of the sharia and all that.

I have, they talk the talk but don't do squat about it. That's the problem. You don't see this with Christians that point in all this. Lets just say if only 5% of the Islam followers do this extreme stuff why don't the other 95% try to stop them? That's because 95% of them do this extreme stuff and at most the 5% would not. If you don't do anything about it then you are just as guilty as the ones who do it.



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:33

Obviously this topic can't be discussed in a mature manner.

 

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