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Posted 26 June 2014 - 14:51

Executions by State is just legal murder, who has the right to pull the switch that kills another human? Just as you don't have that right neither should the State. At lease in some countries they get the victim's family to perform the execution and some cases even allow them to pardon the prisoner.

In virtually all of the US states you can shoot or otherwise dispatch of someone in the commission of, or fleeing after, a violent crime. All that varies are the definitions of when or where.

If the individual can in those circumstances, why not the state as punishment for particularly heinous crimes?


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 15:04

In virtually all of the US states you can shoot or otherwise dispatch of someone in the commission of, or fleeing after, a violent crime. All that varies are the definitions of when or where.

If the individual can in those circumstances, why not the state as punishment for particularly heinous crimes?

There is a difference between those 2 scenarios, but I don’t agree with either.  No matter what you think or the law states if you kill someone as cold as that then you are a murderer period.  You should not have the right to do that unless it’s in your immediate defense or your family's. 



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 15:26

We'll have to disagree then.

Also, under our laws self defense extends not just to "family" but third parties, and it doesn't have to be a lethal attack. Serious bodily harm and sexual assaults are also covered.

So, if a CPL holder comes upon a crime like a robbery, beating or sexual assault they can use force to stop it. Covered under the citizens arrest and other statutes.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 22:14

We'll have to disagree then.

Also, under our laws self defense extends not just to "family" but third parties, and it doesn't have to be a lethal attack. Serious bodily harm and sexual assaults are also covered.

So, if a CPL holder comes upon a crime like a robbery, beating or sexual assault they can use force to stop it. Covered under the citizens arrest and other statutes.

 

Self-defence is a completely different situation to the planned execution of a criminal for things he's done.  You cannot compare the two.

 

Also, consider the number of innocent people your states have executed, or tried their damnedest to execute after faking evidence and so on (don't try to deny it, you know it happens), execution is the LAST thing you should be doing.  You can't give back someone's life after you've taken it.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:22

Of course you can compare the two. Execution is both punishment and a societal self defense against future risk.

A living murderer in prison can still pose a risk to others; the prison staff, other prisoners or society should they escape - and some do. These risks are very real, Better to off them.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 13:09

IMO murderers, rapists, child molesters and the don't deserve good treatment, but they don't deserve death either.

 

Errr yes they do. Child molesters especially deserve the most excrutiatingly slow and painful deaths imaginable.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 20:25

Sending a child molesters & killers to prison usually results in one of two outcomes,

1) execution by their fellow prisoners - typically a very painful one, or

2) solitary confinement 23 of 24 hours, 365 days a year to prevent 1). Even then they may be offed in the showers.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 20:28

Of course you can compare the two. Execution is both punishment and a societal self defense against future risk.

A living murderer in prison can still pose a risk to others; the prison staff, other prisoners or society should they escape - and some do. These risks are very real, Better to off them.

 

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

Sorry Doc. I respect you, but you're way off on this one.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 22:28

First understand that many murderers eventually get out of prison. Parole, dealing down for a lighter sentence to save the cost of a trial etc.

In some states a "life" dentence is effectively 20-25 years, and due to many factors they may get out in less than 10.

This does present a future risk.

As to the death penalty, 63% of our country disagrees with you; as of 2013 80% of conservatives, 65% of independents and 51% of liberals approve of the death penalty (Gallup)

The political split Gallup has recorded for several years running floats around 40% conservative, 35% independent and 21% liberal.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 23:29

All methods used in America are barbaric and inhumane. It reflects really badly on the American people who permit it.

 

The alternative is to put the convict into a small chamber filled with nitrogen. He will pass away painlessly, without even feeling panic. This method has been well tested on animals and even a British MP tested it (televised) and was rescued seconds from death.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7183957.stm

Although he used it to dispose of bodies,Bricktop's version (the movie Snatch) would be great for the child molesters.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 06:45

First understand that many murderers eventually get out of prison. Parole, dealing down for a lighter sentence to save the cost of a trial etc.

In some states a "life" dentence is effectively 20-25 years, and due to many factors they may get out in less than 10.

This does present a future risk.

As to the death penalty, 63% of our country disagrees with you; as of 2013 80% of conservatives, 65% of independents and 51% of liberals approve of the death penalty (Gallup)

The political split Gallup has recorded for several years running floats around 40% conservative, 35% independent and 21% liberal.

 

Then fix your incarceration system so that doesn't happen.  Stop throwing people in jail for petty things like smoking a joint and reserve it for those who're truly a cancer on society.

 

Just because one part of your system needs work, that's no good excuse to kill people.