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#1 Forjo

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 13:40

Incredibly, Microsoft on their site and in the Microsoft store, is ENCOURAGING users who are running Windows 7 to choose Windows 8.1 when upgrading. What they don't tell you is that only Windows 8 will allow you to keep your currently installed applications. If you go straight to 8.1 you will lose any installed programs and have to reinstall them. This is not an issue if you buy Windows 8 and upgrade to 8.1 later.

To make matters worse, most retail stores are no longer selling 8.0 at all.

 

If you want to keep your programs, make sure to buy 8.0 if at all possible. If you want 8.0 Pro you'll probably need to go to Amazon.

 

I just can't understand why they do stuff like this!

 

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#2 68k

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 13:44

Don't forget that you'll also have to purchase Windows Media Centre after the upgrade (to 8 or 8.1) - ridiculous!



#3 Lord Method Man

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 13:52

Don't forget that you'll also have to purchase Windows Media Centre after the upgrade (to 8 or 8.1) - ridiculous!

 

I agree. Upgrading from 7 to 8 should include a free install of the Media Center pack. Its absurd that going to Windows 8 will remove WMC from your machine and you have to pay MS just to get the exact same thing installed again.



#4 +DConnell

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:05

I think I used WMC 3 times in the time I ran Windows 7. I got a free license for my laptop when they were offered right after the release of 8. And then proceeded to never use it.



#5 InsaneNutter

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:20

I think I used WMC 3 times in the time I ran Windows 7. I got a free license for my laptop when they were offered right after the release of 8. And then proceeded to never use it.


I've used Windows Media Center almost every day since 2005ish, for a PVR on a Windows based PC nothing else comes close at the moment. Got mine setup with a Quad DVB-T2 tuner (Freeview HD) happily using the Xbox 360's as Media Center Extenders.

I think its a real shame Microsoft have basically given up on Media Center, the Xbox One cant even act as an extender.

#6 +DConnell

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:30

I've used Windows Media Center almost every day since 2005ish, for a PVR on a Windows based PC nothing else comes close at the moment. Got mine setup with a Quad DVB-T2 tuner (Freeview HD) happily using the Xbox 360's as Media Center Extenders.

I think its a real shame Microsoft have basically given up on Media Center, the Xbox One cant even act as an extender.

 

It's very useful for the PVR capability, but I'd never gotten around to trying that.

 

And I never cared much for the 360's Media Center Extender ability - I prefer to run TVersity on my tower system and just use the Xbox 360 system video player. IMO that setup is a lot more responsive than the extender.

 

And that feature is apparently missing from the X1, as well. Which means I have no urgent need to upgrade.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:41

Well, that sucks for those upgrading from Windows 7. :/ At least you can download the Windows 8.0 installer from Microsoft's website. Sure it may take longer to set everything, but you don't lose anything.



#8 Gotenks98

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:51

Either way this isn't a real issue. You don't want to do an upgrade anyways. Clean install is always the best way to go to prevent problems in the long run. While the media center thing might suck for some its the most under used app for me. Maybe used it twice in Windows 8/8.1. Problem is it takes too much time to setup for something that I can do better with XBMC.



#9 Stoffel

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:53

Sometimes starting with a clean slates is not the worst idea

Get rid of all these little things you installed but never used.

 

I see upgrading or re installing my OS as a time to clean up my mess from the past few years



#10 Ambroos

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:55

Upgrading Windows installations has always been asking for problems. It works if you have a limited amount of low-impact software installed, but especially with special driver-related software from hardware manufacturers you really don't want to do an upgrade.



#11 ShadowMajestic

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 14:58

I agree. Upgrading from 7 to 8 should include a free install of the Media Center pack. Its absurd that going to Windows 8 will remove WMC from your machine and you have to pay MS just to get the exact same thing installed again.

Windows 8 with MCP was free initially.

Even I still have a copy/key somewhere and I never had it on Windows 7.



#12 Max Norris

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 15:07

Either way this isn't a real issue. You don't want to do an upgrade anyways. Clean install is always the best way to go to prevent problems in the long run.

Yep, I do that with every major OS update regardless, Windows, *Nix or otherwise.  Even if it goes hassle free (which, at least for me, it usually does), it just cleans out some of the clutter.. old programs I've installed and forgotten about, tweaks/customizations that may not apply or work with the new OS, etc etc. 



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 15:16

microsoft at it again what they can do best. provoke and money-milk innocent users. looks like a over 90% market share down from 98% is still way too much for microsoft to finally get the beasics right. if you do an upgrade/update, the most important thing users expect is that they can keep their files. its not the users having to worry about it, its the company should taking care of this. even more so if they happily take every single cent of your moneypocket. also: consistency! as a long time linux user, updates are updates thanks to an update manager based on packages.

how many different rootes microsoft had tortured users with? starting from win 95 where - afaik - you could use cds bought as updates as regular installations, moving to win 98 where had to insert both installation mediums and enter the keys to being able install a version bought as upgrade as full version, then what they did with xp was introducing many many more versions and that ridiculous thing called activation where you even if you upgraded to a new graphics card it basically flagged your win copy as pirated, and so on.

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Edited by zhangm, 02 June 2014 - 15:42.


#14 Gotenks98

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 15:17

Yep, I do that with every major OS update regardless, Windows, *Nix or otherwise.  Even if it goes hassle free (which, at least for me, it usually does), it just cleans out some of the clutter.. old programs I've installed and forgotten about, tweaks/customizations that may not apply or work with the new OS, etc etc. 

Exactly, the non-sense of upgrading to 8.0 then to 8.1 via the store is just like asking for it. You don't want to take a chance and roll the dice twice with something so dangerous. I service tons of computers and the store upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 has had a lot of issues if your 8.0 install isn't fresh. In this case the 7.0 install would have to be clean install with nothing else. If going thru all the trouble to factory reset/clean install 7.0 or 8.0, you might as well just clean install 8.1. 



#15 IceBreakerG

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 15:25

I found this out the hard way a couple months ago when I upgraded my work pc from 7 pro to 8.1 directly.  I didn't think there would be any issues because I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 8 previously, then installed the 8.1 update a year later when it was released.  Had I known that I would have lost everything on my pc except my files I wouldn't have done it.  I had to set up everything on my work pc all over again which sucked.  There are still things I'm missing months later (like my set up for creating nuget packages, bookmarks, other settings, etc).  The installer doesn't tell you that you'll lose all of your installed programs either.