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#46 +Brando212

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 22:27

I'm not misinterpreting anything. Look at my original post. On the Microsoft Store website where you PURCHASE WINDOWS 8 it says 8.1 is for Windows 7 users and 8.0 is for XP & Vista.  What exactly am I misinterpreting?

 

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that says nothing about applications. it turns your OS into Windows 8/8.1 and that's all it claims to do

 

they way you're misinturpriting it is you're over-thinking the description




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Posted 02 June 2014 - 22:47

When you click the upgrade button on the installer it usually will do a pre-upgrade check and then give you a list of incompatible programs or programs that will be removed.

I don't know about the upgrade from Win 7 -> 8.1 because I've never done that but I know for sure that the upgrade from Vista -> 7 would give you a giant list and also in some cases the upgrade from 8 -> 8.1 does. Which is why I find it odd that MS wouldn't include the same functionality for an upgrade to 8.1 from 7.

Its not just compatibility is also how those applications are installed. If they are not installed using the Windows Installer Service then chances are they wont migrate across.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 23:07

I actually didn't realise this, so that's some good info thanks Forjo.

 

Will advise customers to avoid the upgrade (still) for now.

 

Very strange Microsoft didn't allow 7 to 8.1 upgrades, their code is reasonably similar...



#49 OP Forjo

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 23:23

that says nothing about applications. it turns your OS into Windows 8/8.1 and that's all it claims to do

 

they way you're misinturpriting it is you're over-thinking the description

So why make a distinction between 8.0 and 8.1 with respect to XP, Vista and 7 at all?

 

If you don't find my warning useful that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that people who don't know this might be in for an unpleasant surprise when they try to upgrade.

 

I'm trying to inform people. I'm not sure what you are trying to do.

 

-Forjo



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 23:27

I actually didn't realise this, so that's some good info thanks Forjo.

 

Will advise customers to avoid the upgrade (still) for now.

 

Very strange Microsoft didn't allow 7 to 8.1 upgrades, their code is reasonably similar...

I learned it first hand while trying to upgrade a client's system. Just bought 8.0 as they don't have a domain. If I had required Pro it would have forced an Amazon order -- which is another issue: 8.0 Pro isn't even available for download. Or at least I couldn't find it.

 

Glad to pass it along though.

 

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#51 Aheer.R.S.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 23:28

Well in that case I'll stick with 7



#52 Gotenks98

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 00:57

So why make a distinction between 8.0 and 8.1 with respect to XP, Vista and 7 at all?

 

If you don't find my warning useful that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that people who don't know this might be in for an unpleasant surprise when they try to upgrade.

 

I'm trying to inform people. I'm not sure what you are trying to do.

 

-Forjo

It tells you all this during the install before it installs anything, so why are you claiming it does not. Either way you shouldn't be promoting "dirty" upgrades instead of clean installs. Again this goes back to the whole research aspect of this.



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:21

It tells you all this during the install before it installs anything, so why are you claiming it does not. Either way you shouldn't be promoting "dirty" upgrades instead of clean installs. Again this goes back to the whole research aspect of this.

Well, I can't explain it any clearer. If you are already running the installation on Windows 7.1 then you have already purchased 8.1 and have already fallen victim to this issue. If you refuse to read the thread then that's on you.

 

Furthermore, your opinion about upgrades is just that. As long as the software is designed to perform updates they will happen, and the vast majority will happen without incident -- regardless of your opinion.

 

Funny how you tout research when you can't be bothered to read the thread with enough comprehension to understand my point.

 

Well in that case I'll stick with 7

 

Or you can just buy 8.0, upgrade it to 8.1 and maintain everything you have.

 

-Forjo



#54 Dot Matrix

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:35

Still not sure why you're even rambling on about this. You're crying over spilled milk. There is no guarantee for OS upgrades. Fundamental differences in the OS will always require application re-installs. Not sure how this is anything new?



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:04

And every good geek knows that an upgrade for us means, wipe, and reload....

 

While your point is somewhat valid....

 

In order to play any Video content you do need the Windows media center app (or a third party app) which is now $9.99 if you have windows 8 or 8.1 pro. But that was done to reduce the cost of windows, as you will see now for $120.00 you get the FULL version of windows versus and upgrade, and $199.99 gets you the full version of pro, which before you'd only get the upgrade, a full version of core or home premium as it was before was something like $200.00 and pro was $300+ dollars. So, with start is back or start8 you can unearth what is, always was, and will always will be Windows 8 and 8.1, Windows 7 with tiles!

 

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#56 cork1958

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:11

Either way this isn't a real issue. You don't want to do an upgrade anyways. Clean install is always the best way to go to prevent problems in the long run. While the media center thing might suck for some its the most under used app for me. Maybe used it twice in Windows 8/8.1. Problem is it takes too much time to setup for something that I can do better with XBMC.

"You don't want to do an upgrade anyways. Clean install is always the best way to go to prevent problems in the long run"

 

Exactly correct!

 

Wouldn't have ever even dreamed of doing an upgrade.



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:12

Still not sure why you're even rambling on about this. You're crying over spilled milk. There is no guarantee for OS upgrades. Fundamental differences in the OS will always require application re-installs. Not sure how this is anything new?

Wow. I let people with Windows 7 know that if they want to maintain their programs to ignore Microsoft's advice and purchase 8.0 instead of 8.1 and somehow I'm crying?

 

You people are beyond me.

 

Thread summary:

 

Ignore what Microsoft says on the Microsoft Store site. Windows 8.0 will upgrade 7.0 and maintain all your settings, applications, files, and data. Do not purchase 8.1 if you wish to keep your applications.  If you require Pro then boxed copies are still available on Amazon.

 

I'm done.

 

-Forjo



#58 Dot Matrix

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:19

Wow. I let people with Windows 7 know that if they want to maintain their programs to ignore Microsoft's advice and purchase 8.0 instead of 8.1 and somehow I'm crying?

 

You people are beyond me.

 

-Forjo

We've know this for a while now. It's no secret that applications are the most trouble when it comes to upgrades, which is why many here don't perform them, myself included. Why do you think Microsoft is working to move away from these older applications?