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Last night, Yuri Victor tweeted a screenshot of a new Netflix error message he saw while a video was buffering. It tells Verizon customers exactly what's to blame for slow video. And judging by the response from Netflix's spokesperson Jonathan Friedland, it's no mistake. The streaming video world is getting sassy.

 

 

 

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Netflix probably tired of getting the blame  :angry:

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Good. Bad ISPs should be exposed.

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How could they definitely say that the problem is at Verizon's end?

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If Netflix is paying the delivery tax to verizon, they should be allowed to tell their customers where the performance bottleneck is, as they are technically paying for the whole pipe right to them


How could they definitely say that the problem is at Verizon's end?

 

If netflix can't route quickly to its end host, you, it can determine where the longest delay is/are - which would be pointing to a or many verizon-operated hops according to their popup. 

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If Netflix is paying the delivery tax to verizon, they should be allowed to tell their customers where the performance bottleneck is, as they are technically paying for the whole pipe right to them

 

If netflix can't route quickly to its end host, you, it can determine where the longest delay is/are - which would be pointing to a verizon-operated server according to their popup. 

What tax?

 

Also, how can they determine that it is Verizon and not me over saturating my line with traffic on other devices on my LAN?

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Oh, deal... Its mentioned in the article. http://gizmodo.com/netflix-and-verizon-just-signed-a-traffic-deal-1568974004

 

Because if the last hop is slow, then its you. These probably aren't happening at the last hop.

Why is this a problem? Peering is as old as the Internet...

 

Also, Netflix bullied the ISPs into those devices... It wasn't the other way around.

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Not only Verizon...a new service Netflix is testing to let users know if their ISP is the bottleneck.

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What tax?

 

Also, how can they determine that it is Verizon and not me over saturating my line with traffic on other devices on my LAN?

 

They run a traceroute between you and them. That gives them every hop between each end point and how long it spends getting there. After that, it's just an exercise in mathematics.

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some ISP will probably detect traceroute request and make such request seems to be smooth, but bottle-necking the real streaming traffic.

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some ISP will probably detect traceroute request and make such request seems to be smooth, but bottle-necking the real streaming traffic.

 

This happens a lot with speedtest.net testing as well.

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They are showing this for AT&T as well.

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Tip of the hat to Netflix for this one.

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Sounds good to me, I don't blame Netflix for doing this,  I mean look at the whole Net Neutrality and Comcast thing.  Netflix speeds on Comcast dropped a lot until the day Netflix agreed to pay what Comcast wanted and the speeds just rocketed back up overnight.    The ISPs are like the mafia in the US, specially the big ones, Comcast, TWC and so on. 

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Sounds good to me, I don't blame Netflix for doing this,  I mean look at the whole Net Neutrality and Comcast thing.  Netflix speeds on Comcast dropped a lot until the day Netflix agreed to pay what Comcast wanted and the speeds just rocketed back up overnight.    The ISPs are like the mafia in the US, specially the big ones, Comcast, TWC and so on. 

It makes good headlines, but Comcast didn't bully Netflix into any sort of deal. Netflix had been pushing for ISPs to allow the for years... Netflix saw this as a way to cut out the middle man (in their case Level3). This was widely covered in the press when Netflix launched this in 2011* and well before the Net Neutrality debate started misusing this...

 

I'll leave a few press articles from the period, but you can pull up others:

 

http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/04/netflix-open-connect/

http://gigaom.com/2013/11/11/netflixs-new-pitch-for-open-connect-it-sucks-less-during-prime-time/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/18/entertainment/la-et-ct-netflix-open-connect-20131018

 

 

* Although they announce it in 2012, they started deploying in 2011 according to their site.

 

I'm all for Net Neutrality, but we need to stop spreading the lie that Comcast bullied Netflix into some agreement. The opposite is true. Netflix bullied Comcast into that relationship...

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