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His being perceived as soft on immigration has backfired in a huge way. Should be a signal to BOTH parties, especially with the headlines from Arizona and Texas about the Administration opening the floodgates.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/eric-cantor-faces-tea-party-challenge-tuesday/2014/06/10/17da5d20-f092-11e3-bf76-447a5df6411f_story.html

Eric Cantor succumbs to tea party challenger

In a stunning upset propelled by tea party activists, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) was defeated in Tuesday

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It almost seems like we are headed to a three-party system.  I just hope that this fractioning of the GOP does not translate into division within the conservative voter base.  Even some moderates are beginning to take a conservative stance.  I suppose it is either that - or simply move out of the way.  There is no denying that a large segment of Americans want a turn back towards conservatism and responsible governance.

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This is shaping up as another Republican wave election like 1994 or 2010.

21 of the 36 Senate seats up are Democrats, and of those 7 are in states Romney easily won in 2012. Republicans need 6 to take over, and analysts are predicting a net Republican gain of 6-12.

The House is no contest - it'll stay Republican and they are expected to add 6-8 seats to their majority. The seat Cantor lost is a safe Republican one that'll just go more conservative.

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I heard about 10,000 Dems helped the TP oust him....

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Good going guys, That's whats needed some fresh new ideas :rolleyes:

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It almost seems like we are headed to a three-party system.  I just hope that this fractioning of the GOP does not translate into division within the conservative voter base.  Even some moderates are beginning to take a conservative stance.  I suppose it is either that - or simply move out of the way.  There is no denying that a large segment of Americans want a turn back towards conservatism and responsible governance.

 

Yea it's fracturing alright... half bat-s*** crazy and full bat-sh*t crazy 

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Show me a party that is serious about balancing the budget and reducing the national debt (17 trillion plus) and they'll get my vote. I frankly don't see that in either the GOP or Dem party at this time. Even if the GOP gets control of both houses of Congress and the White House, will they have the guts to make the deep cuts? I don't know. I suppose the Dems will do what the GOP has done and block everything. It's not like the debt went down under Bush II.

 

I am fed up with both parties as you can see. This country needs a leader with some balls (sorry Hillary) for god's sakes! Yeah, I'll vote, but I see why a lot of people don't. It's a joke. These politicians all talk about how they are going to change Washington. But after they get there, it's more of the same bs.

 

Edit: Trillion, not billion.

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It almost seems like we are headed to a three-party system.  I just hope that this fractioning of the GOP does not translate into division within the conservative voter base.  Even some moderates are beginning to take a conservative stance.  I suppose it is either that - or simply move out of the way.  There is no denying that a large segment of Americans want a turn back towards conservatism and responsible governance.

 

Yes, we are, but even as a moderate I would be hard pressed to suddenly go from the middle to the far tea party right. The republican party is doing nobody a favor by voting these extreme right candidates in with primaries, because they will not appeal to the wider voting base. If the republican platform would moderate to the middle on social and science issues, I'd be happy voting for one, as I agree more with their fiscal and somewhat global stances. I disagree with most liberals on fiscal polices, but until the Republican party comes into this century on some things, I don't think they are going to appeal to many voters my age. A three party system would probably only benefit one side of the table, as chances are two of the parties are pretty much the same give or take a few things, that'll just split the vote on one side.

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His being perceived as soft on immigration has backfired in a huge way. Should be a signal to BOTH parties, especially with the headlines from Arizona and Texas about the Administration opening the floodgates.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/eric-cantor-faces-tea-party-challenge-tuesday/2014/06/10/17da5d20-f092-11e3-bf76-447a5df6411f_story.html

 

 

Disagree, it could be a sign the people of Virginia disagree with current immigration policy. 

Other States will vary on their opinion. 

 

Extra Credits, usually weekly video cast on game / game industry had a really good point.

Having trouble finding the youtube link.

 

Gerrymandering is hurting moderates. With gerrymandering, it's consolidating your user base, however when they go more conservative your out.

The gerrymandering is used to win elections in your state, yet can distorts the view of the state, it's not necessarily the majority view of the state (sometimes it is) or give them an edge if it's a splitting the state. 

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Show me a party who is serious about balancing the budget and reducing the national debt (17 billion plus) and they'll get my vote. I frankly don't see that in either the GOP or Dem party at this time. Even if the GOP gets control of both houses of Congress and the White House, will they have the guts to make the deep cuts? I don't know. I suppose the Dems will do what the GOP has done and block everything. It's not like the debt went down under Bush II.

 

I am fed up with both parties as you can see. This country needs a leader with some balls (sorry Hillary) for god's sakes! Yeah, I'll vote, but I see why a lot of people don't. It's a joke. They all talk about how they are going to change Washington. But after they get there, it's more of the same bs.

Exactly. Obama talked about 'change' but all he delivered was Bush 2.0, while the GOP has made a dramatic shift to the right with candidates talking about stoning gay people to death. The 2016 election will likely be between Hillary Clinton, who is even more right-wing than Obama, or whichever lunatic or charlatan the GOP puts up. The only sensible potential candidate for a progressive America is Elizabeth Warren but without the Democratic nomination, which seems unlikely, she would only split the progressive vote.

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If only you knew how many rank & file Tea Party members are registered Democrats :)

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Yes, we are, but even as a moderate I would be hard pressed to suddenly go from the middle to the far tea party right. The republican party is doing nobody a favor by voting these extreme right candidates in with primaries, because they will not appeal to the wider voting base. If the republican platform would moderate to the middle on social and science issues, I'd be happy voting for one, as I agree more with their fiscal and somewhat global stances. I disagree with most liberals on fiscal polices, but until the Republican party comes into this century on some things, I don't think they are going to appeal to many voters my age. A three party system would probably only benefit one side of the table, as chances are two of the parties are pretty much the same give or take a few things, that'll just split the vote on one side.

The Republican party didn't vote these far right tea party candidates in, the people of their district, county, state, whatever, did that.

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That's a key point a lot of people miss, here in the US and overseas. The Tea Party and similar folks are there because large numbers of Americans voted them in and they're representing their constituents.

Unlike the common misperception the Tea Party movement is not monolithic. It's a loose affiliation of national, state and local groups without a central leadership, and in many states is a mix of Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

In our area there are quite a few Democrat Tea Party members.

And let's not forget what started the Tea Party's ascention: the Democrats bulldozing every Congressional rule, and common sense, in a rush to pass Obamacare. This ill considered move we now KNOW was poorly executed and continues to drive divisions in this country. It is VERY likely to cost Democrats a lot this November.

If the Democrats dislike the Tea Party I submit they have no one but the guy in the mirror to blame for its creation and rise.

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That's a key point a lot of people miss, here in the US and overseas. The Tea Party and similar folks are there because large numbers of Americans voted them in and they're representing their constituents.

Unlike the common misperception the Tea Party movement is not monolithic. It's a loose affiliation of national, state and local groups without a central leadership, and in many states is a mix of Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

In our area there are quite a few Democrat Tea Party members.

And let's not forget what started the Tea Party's ascention: the Democrats bulldozing every Congressional rule, and common sense, in a rush to pass Obamacare. This ill considered move we now KNOW was poorly executed and continues to drive divisions in this country. It is VERY likely to cost Democrats a lot this November.

If the Democrats dislike the Tea Party I submit they have no one but the guy in the mirror to blame for its creation and rise.

 

Yeah, sure, the Tea Party is a grassroot movement not at all, started by Fox News/Rush Limbaugh at al. whose first manifestation did not start in February 2009 against the TARP and tax, not the ACA

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_%22tea_party%22_protests

 

Yeah, it is Wikipedia, just because I do not want to link all the references in that article.

 

You try to pass the Tea Party as a libertarian, less government freedom loving party. That might have been true at the beginning in 2009. In 2014, the Tea Party is a an extremist fringe of white supremacists, anti-union, vagina-obsessed, impeachment-hungry, birthers, racists, radical insurrectionists and pseudo anarchist theocrats like negro expert Cliven Bundy or his so-called friends who killed three people in Las Vegas two weeks ago.

 

Do I need to remind everyone of the government shutdown last October that lead to nothing ?

 

I may need to remind everyone of Karl Rove uber smear meister too

 

During the 2004 election, Karl Rove set the GOP strategy of activating conservative anger points like healthcare or immigration or same-sex marriage. Everything that stirred up the pot of hate and polarization?

 

You can read that in that book http://www.amazon.com/Building-Red-America-Conservative-Coalition-ebook/dp/B009TCWCN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402731047&sr=8-1&keywords=building+red+America

But the evangelization of the Tea Party creation, that is just plain non-GMO, 100% pure bullcrap

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You try to pass the Tea Party as a libertarian, less government freedom loving party. That might have been true at the beginning in 2009. In 2014, the Tea Party is a an extremist fringe of white supremacists, anti-union, vagina-obsessed, impeachment-hungry, birthers, racists, radical insurrectionists and pseudo anarchist theocrats like negro expert Cliven Bundy or his so-called friends who killed three people in Las Vegas two weeks ago.

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You guys have been watching too much MSNBC.

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You guys have been watching too much MSNBC.

Or too much Right Wing Watch, It sure must cause some cognitive dissonance when you see your fun loving libertarian in bed with hate groups like FRC, Wanting only christians to have the right to practice their religion is totally libertarian yall

 

But hey have it your way, Lets have another round of white christian dominionists talking about how much they hate the gays,science (that contradicts their worldview) etc. It worked so well for you last time.

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It is a joke video intended to be funny or this is real ?

Anyway either way i got a good laugh out of it.

nope that's a politician who will get "conservatism and responsible governance"

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Good going guys, That's whats needed some fresh new ideas :rolleyes:

 

It is a joke video intended to be funny or this is real ?

 

Anyway either way i got a good laugh out of it.

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Exactly. Obama talked about 'change' but all he delivered was Bush 2.0, while the GOP has made a dramatic shift to the right with candidates talking about stoning gay people to death. The 2016 election will likely be between Hillary Clinton, who is even more right-wing than Obama, or whichever lunatic or charlatan the GOP puts up. The only sensible potential candidate for a progressive America is Elizabeth Warren but without the Democratic nomination, which seems unlikely, she would only split the progressive vote.

 

Why would you want MORE "progressive" junk that has caused so much damage to the economy and government? You got your "progressive" leader in Obama, AND you had your majority pushing the agenda in Washington, and all it's done is stall the economy out to an almost standstill while spending as if the recession didn't exist at all, you can blame Bush and the Rich all you want but your types have not done a thing of good in the last 5 years, you blew it, get over it, more bad policy isn't going to help 

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You guys have been watching too much MSNBC.

actually, i rarely watch msnbc. if i watch 3 hours of it a month, that's a lot. i don't need anyone to tell me how to think or what decisions to make. unlike you FAUXNews watchers, i can reach conclussions on my own. i've been to two tea party meetings. granted, they were both back in early 2010 but you can't tell me most of the tea party members aren't racists. i've seen and heard it. i knew probably 85% of the people at the first since it was in my hometown. i couldn't believe the things i witnessed that evening. one thing being a shirt which had PUT WHITE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE boldling printed on the front and back worn by somebody i did not know. also, at the second meeting i attempted to attend in a neighboring city i proudly wore a hat that has DEMOCRAT stitched across the front. the two guys at the door tried to block me from entry due to that hat. after a few shoves going both ways and some name calling, the cops were called (not by me). they were told to admit me or be arrested. i didn't go in because my point had been proven.

Why would you want MORE "progressive" junk that has caused so much damage to the economy and government? You got your "progressive" leader in Obama, AND you had your majority pushing the agenda in Washington, and all it's done is stall the economy out to an almost standstill while spending as if the recession didn't exist at all, you can blame Bush and the Rich all you want but your types have not done a thing of good in the last 5 years, you blew it, get over it, more bad policy isn't going to help 

wrong! what has stalled the economy has been republican and tea party obstructionism since day one.

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actually, i rarely watch msnbc. if i watch 3 hours of it a month, that's a lot. i don't need anyone to tell me how to think or what decisions to make. unlike you FAUXNews watchers, i can reach conclussions on my own. i've been to two tea party meetings. granted, they were both back in early 2010 but you can't tell me most of the tea party members aren't racists. i've seen and heard it. i knew probably 85% of the people at the first since it was in my hometown. i couldn't believe the things i witnessed that evening. one thing being a shirt which had PUT WHITE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE boldling printed on the front and back worn by somebody i did not know. also, at the second meeting i attempted to attend in a neighboring city i proudly wore a hat that has DEMOCRAT stitched across the front. the two guys at the door tried to block me from entry due to that hat. after a few shoves going both ways and some name calling, the cops were called (not by me). they were told to admit me or be arrested. i didn't go in because my point had been proven.

wrong! what has stalled the economy has been republican and tea party obstructionism since day one.

Bull, you had a majority AND the Whitehouse, you didn't need the republicans to pass anything, you managed to pass the travesty of a bill screwed healthcare without them, you have no excuses

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That's the problem with having both houses of Congress, a filibusters proof majority in the Senate and the Presidency; you end up with no fig leaves - no excuses. No one to blame but that dude in the mirror.

Doesn't stop our buddies the progressives from tying to blame everyone else though. They're great at doing that.

The problem is that John Q Taxpayer has finally realized the Emperor has no clothes, which is why the progressives are in a panic over November's election. They're gonna need Kevlar underwear.

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That's the problem with having both houses of Congress, a filibusters proof majority in the Senate and the Presidency; you end up with no fig leaves - no excuses. No one to blame but that dude in the mirror.

Doesn't stop our buddies the progressives from tying to blame everyone else though. They're great at doing that.

The problem is that John Q Taxpayer has finally realized the Emperor has no clothes, which is why the progressives are in a panic over November's election. They're gonna need Kevlar underwear.

As long as you bring out your "god hates fags immigrants and non christians" buddies they have nothing to worry about where it matters presidential/supreme court.

Right Wing Watch will ensure any pandering to the loon rangers gets national attention.

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I heard about 10,000 Dems helped the TP oust him....

 

I heard about 10,000 Dems helped the TP oust him....

Plausible, with Virginia being an *open primary* state (voters can vote in the primaries of the party opposite the one they are registered in) - however, Cantor SPECIFICALLY had issues in his own district - primarily his being a multi-term incumbent.  Most "tea party" voters and group have no love for incumbents - of either party - and Cantor, due to simply being House GOP Leader, had a bullseye on his back.  (Haven't these same groups gone after the rest of the GOP leadership - of both House and Senate?)  The end result is we have something that's decidedly rare - neophyte vs. neophyte for a Congressional seat; neither candidate has even run for office - at any level - before.  (Another wierd-but-true-fact - both are professors at the SAME university.)

 

Vykranth - isn't the fringe of the Democratic party the polar opposite (in some sense) of the GOP fringe?  In fact, they share some positions with the GOP fringe - especially being anti-GMO.  You may hate the GOP fringe; however, why is the Democratic party fringe any more palatable? Neither party can afford to let the fringe drive the party platform - however, BOTH political parties are in danger of doing exactly that.

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