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#1 Orange Battery

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 20:26

Slight frustration this evening and it’s left me with this question – are we taking a step back or are there legitimate reason for the removal of features when MS products are updated?

Two things this evening:

 

1) I’ve recently moved from Win 7 to Win 8.1 and no longer have VirtuallPC, that’s fine because there is the all new Hyper-V.  Hyper-V doesn’t support copy and paste between the host and the VM, neither does it allow drag and drop – two things I used a lot but now are not available – why? Why not even give the option to switch them on in settings.

 

2) IE11 – Ive found that I can no longer position shortcuts in the order I want on the favourites bar – for no reason, IE11 positions URLs first and then shortcuts to other files, very annoying as I can no longer position my direct Roboform logins at the positions I like them – now they all go to the end, after my url shortcuts.

 

Maybe Im just irritable tonight but it seems to me we get upgrades and we lose features – I could understand it if we was alerted to a security risk or something like that but when they just go – I wonder why Im paying money to upgrade.




#2 Gerowen

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 20:48

Sorry to hear about your frustration.  Although it doesn't fix the issue with the VM software you are using, you could give Virtualbox a shot.  I've been running it on my Linux PC for years to run Windows VMs for testing purposes, and once you install the Guest Additions you can copy and paste between host/guest, and forward your USB ports to the guest as well, giving the guest OS direct access to the hardware connected to your USB ports.

 

Check them out at www.virtualbox.org

 

I don't have a copy of Windows 8, so I can't help you with your browser issue though.  :-(  Hope you can get it all worked out.



#3 OP Orange Battery

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 20:50

Sorry to hear about your frustration.  Although it doesn't fix the issue with the VM software you are using, you could give Virtualbox a shot.  I've been running it on my Linux PC for years to run Windows VMs for testing purposes, and once you install the Guest Additions you can copy and paste between host/guest, and forward your USB ports to the guest as well, giving the guest OS direct access to the hardware connected to your USB ports.

 

Check them out at www.virtualbox.org

 

I don't have a copy of Windows 8, so I can't help you with your browser issue though.  :-(  Hope you can get it all worked out.

 

Thanks, I will give it a try :-)

 

Issue with IE11 has been proven, a few experts on Technet have acknowledged it but have been unable to provide a solution :-(



#4 Hum

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 20:51

Newer is not always better, I guess.

#5 InsaneNutter

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:00

You could remote desktop in to your VM, you will then be able to copy & paste between the host os and the VM.



#6 OP Orange Battery

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:02

You could remote desktop in to your VM, you will then be able to copy & paste between the host os and the VM.


True, it's more of a workaround tho and not readily available like it was with VPC.

#7 rr_dRock

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:06

Is there not an option for Guest Integration Services within Hyper V in windows 8?

 

It should be under the VMs hardware config.



#8 Eric

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:08

As rr_dRock said you need to install the integration services in your guest OS. Some Linux distros don't work with it yet like Debian. (Wheezy ISO doesn't have the kernel modules.)

 

As for the IE issue I'm not sure what you mean I guess. I have no problems reorganizing the bookmarks on my favorites bar.



#9 OP Orange Battery

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:09

Is there not an option for Guest Integration Services within Hyper V in windows 8?

It should be under the VMs hardware config.


Not that I know of but I will certainly have a look tomorrow - thanks :-)

#10 Bigkaye

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:15

I updated a PS3 once and lost the otherOS feature that was printed on the sales box. I got $8.32 from Sony in a class action lawsuit though which totally bought me another cell-processor device with bluray to run Linux on.



#11 Forjo

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:21

Slight frustration this evening and it’s left me with this question – are we taking a step back or are there legitimate reason for the removal of features when MS products are updated?

Two things this evening:

 

1) I’ve recently moved from Win 7 to Win 8.1 and no longer have VirtuallPC, that’s fine because there is the all new Hyper-V.  Hyper-V doesn’t support copy and paste between the host and the VM, neither does it allow drag and drop – two things I used a lot but now are not available – why? Why not even give the option to switch them on in settings.

 

2) IE11 – Ive found that I can no longer position shortcuts in the order I want on the favourites bar – for no reason, IE11 positions URLs first and then shortcuts to other files, very annoying as I can no longer position my direct Roboform logins at the positions I like them – now they all go to the end, after my url shortcuts.

 

Maybe Im just irritable tonight but it seems to me we get upgrades and we lose features – I could understand it if we was alerted to a security risk or something like that but when they just go – I wonder why Im paying money to upgrade.

 

1. Depending on your guest OS copy and paste should absolutely be supported. Check that you've installed the updated integration disk.

 

2. I'm not sure what you mean. I created a file shortcut to a notepad file and I was able to move URL shortcuts and it freely anywhere I wanted to. What kinds of "other files" do you mean?  And besides, why are you still using the favorites bar? Pin to the Start Screen or the Task Bar -- it's faster.

 

All that said, there are always features that are deprecated when upgrading. For example, we've long lost the ability to create desktop toolbars. It's always unfortunate when you're one of the few that use a feature that Microsoft (or any developer) deems unworthy of being included in a new release. I hate that they removed scheduled backups, for example. But at least we can work around that -- even if we lose historical snapshots.

 

My recommendation is to do your research before you upgrade to make sure the features you really care about are available. Or, better yet, TRY to learn the new paradigms. Often you'll find faster or otherwise better ways to accomplish your tasks.

 

-Forjo



#12 seafirex

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:33

1. Depending on your guest OS copy and paste should absolutely be supported. Check that you've installed the updated integration disk.

 

2. I'm not sure what you mean. I created a file shortcut to a notepad file and I was able to move URL shortcuts and it freely anywhere I wanted to. What kinds of "other files" do you mean?  And besides, why are you still using the favorites bar? Pin to the Start Screen or the Task Bar -- it's faster.

 

All that said, there are always features that are deprecated when upgrading. For example, we've long lost the ability to create desktop toolbars. It's always unfortunate when you're one of the few that use a feature that Microsoft (or any developer) deems unworthy of being included in a new release. I hate that they removed scheduled backups, for example. But at least we can work around that -- even if we lose historical snapshots.

 

My recommendation is to do your research before you upgrade to make sure the features you really care about are available. Or, better yet, TRY to learn the new paradigms. Often you'll find faster or otherwise better ways to accomplish your tasks.

 

-Forjo

You can still do auto backup in windows 8.1.

 

Probably i don't understand what you are trying to say by removed scheduled backup because i can still do it myself. Can you please give more information about that please.



#13 +nowimnothing

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:35

The proper solution to the first one is to use RDP. The Console for Hyper-V is purposefully limited for basic access to get you going and does not support copy/paste, file drag/drop, etc regardless of what your guest OS is or what VM additions you've got installed. When you want all that ease of use stuff, you should move "up" to the RDP client, which supports all of those things. As an aside, RDP is also what you use to connect to Azure VMs, so I'd say it's pretty evident that's where the bulk of the "feature work" will be done.



#14 Jaybonaut

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:35

Sadly this is nothing new.

 

We've lost a superior version of Movie Maker and Sound Recorder going from Xp-Vista-7 too, among other things.



#15 Ian W

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 21:44

Slight frustration this evening and it’s left me with this question – are we taking a step back or are there legitimate reason for the removal of features when MS products are updated?

As user Jaybonaut already mentioned, this is not a new.