uk Teaching Creationism As Science Now Banned In All UK Public Schools

[Torolol]

obey religion

how can coreligionist be sure that their religion is the truth and was not made by some charlatan impostor who claimed to be messenger of a real god?

[n_K]

Evolution was never a science, it was, is and will always be a theory that has already been defeated. This Universe and everything in it is created and is being continuously monitored by Almighty God.

A theory that, as the topic of this thread states, is universally ranked much higher than your claims and is why your claims are now banished from science lessons and left only to RE lessons, which is where the only belonged in the first place (in the UK at least)

[watkinsx2]

Truth hurts.

 

I would argue that it is not the truth and that you're just  small minded. You cannot say creationism is definitive. Its just YOUR belief and a flawed one at that. Stop stating your opinion as fact.

[Som]

Tell me 'the world started with the big bang'. I?ll respond 'but where did the matter that was required for that to happen come from?'.

 

 

 

Read up on M-Theory...

Although it's just theory, it's a convincing one

http://www.space.com/20710-stephen-hawking-god-big-bang.html

[Mazhar]

I would argue that it is not the truth and that you're just  small minded. You cannot say creationism is definitive. Its just YOUR belief and a flawed one at that. Stop stating your opinion as fact.

 

Oh I can say, Creationism is the fact. And the proof is this Universe and all of its glory and inspiring properties and insides. Creation by God is unavoidable and cannot be proved wrong. Evolution or Darwinism or etc may very well be conspiracy theories to stop people believe in a God but we are not the ones who are easily being fooled, the ones who are, are.

 

I am not offensive, I am being respectful to others but I am not respectful to their theories and will demolish them as hard as I can. I am hard on topic and soft on person!

[Soldiers33]

Read up on M-Theory...

Although it's just theory, it's a convincing one

http://www.space.com/20710-stephen-hawking-god-big-bang.html

You seriously think big bang created everything? Look at how complex every part of our body and nature is. You trying to say that bacteria evolved and started creating humans and plants and so on? The whole evolution theory is to distract people away from God, becuase thats what the devil wants. If you actually think about how everything works and functions so perfectly, no way could evolution ever come into anyones mind. People who actually believe that rubbish, just need to think about it properly.

[Yazoo]

They have not banned it, just stated it can not be taught as a fact just as Evolution is not taught as a fact. So you can carry on with your beliefs as before.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Late in his life, Charles Darwin stated the theory of evolution was debatable even by himself. I 100% agree with him. I believe a supernatural force created the world initially, and it?s something we will never fully understand.

 

Tell me 'the world started with the big bang'. I?ll respond 'but where did the matter that was required for that to happen come from?'.

 

God is the supernatural force I am referring to above. <deleted>

 

Another thought I have: could evolution actually create animals and nature of such great beauty? And another: why are there still monkeys around today, living in the same time frame as humans?

 

Finally, what do Muslims think about evolution/creationism?

 

You're posting on the internet on a specialist tech forum and act like you do not have 5 minutes to answer this very easy question?

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUFOlyt7ErE

[Yazoo]

Oh I can say, Creationism is the fact. And the proof is this Universe and all of its glory and inspiring properties and insides. Creation by God is unavoidable and cannot be proved wrong. Evolution or Darwinism or etc may very well be conspiracy theories to stop people believe in a God but we are not the ones who are easily being fooled, the ones who are, are.

 

I am not offensive, I am being respectful to others but I am not respectful to their theories and will demolish them as hard as I can. I am hard on topic and soft on person!

Its such a shame then you got it totally wrong.  Neither is fact and that is the point here not what you think is right or wrong. 

[Skiver Veteran]

Oh I can say, Creationism is the fact. And the proof is this Universe and all of its glory and inspiring properties and insides. Creation by God is unavoidable and cannot be proved wrong. Evolution or Darwinism or etc may very well be conspiracy theories to stop people believe in a God but we are not the ones who are easily being fooled, the ones who are, are.

 

I am not offensive, I am being respectful to others but I am not respectful to their theories and will demolish them as hard as I can. I am hard on topic and soft on person!

Mazhar, as mentioned... there is a thread for discussing creationism vs evolution etc, this is not it. This is about Schools banning creationism as a science.

 

Please remember that the same people who are being "fooled" believe that those may believe in religion are also being "fooled" into believing in whatever god(s) they do. You cannot "demolish" my own or anyone elses beliefs because you believe you are correct. I accept you have you're beliefs, show some respect and accept mine.

 

It's been pointed out many times to you that you cannot state anything is a fact without any form of evidence, their is a hell of a lot more evidence that for Evolution/Darwinism than their is for creationism yet I do not call me beliefs a fact because it has not been proven.

 

You may not believe you are being offensive but you are effectively calling me a fool for believing in something you don't and that is offensive and I do take offence. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, forget religion for just one second and actually think before you write and respect you're fellow man/women regardless of their beliefs. 

[DeltaXray]

Bit misleading story. Teaching creationism as fact has always been banned in state schools, this is just bringing those 'free schools'/academies who are usually free to teach their own curriculum in line with this.

 

Creationism is still taught in RE lessions but just within its religious context along with the stories of a multitude of other religions, where it should be.

 

Evolution being taught as fact is perfectly acceptable becuase there is proof all around us that evolution exists.  At a basic level it is why we need a different flu shot every year.  There is not a single shred of tangible FACT supporting creationism. No actual evidence. Therefore by default it cannot be taught as such.  If creationism should be tught just because a book says so then they should also be teaching about spiderman and batman.

[Skiver Veteran]

Bit misleading story. Teaching creationism as science has always been banned in state schools, this is just bringing those 'free schools'/academies who are usually free to teach their own curriculum in line with this.

 

Creationism is still taught in RE lessions but just within its religious context along with the stories of a multitude of other religions, where it should be.

In all honesty, I wasn't aware it was ever taught as a science anywhere. It certainly shouldn't be in my opinion, I have no problems with schools including all possible religions as long as its potrayed in the right way. Nothing in religion is fact or should be believed over another, as much as it pains me to accept... neither is the whole big bang theory stuff. The facts about all of these subjects should be given and the students should be making up their own minds on what they choose to believe.

 

Ultimately I think your parents will probably be the greatest influence in that area but schools should be doing their part to be as unbiased as possible,

[spikey_richie]

Mazhar, as mentioned... there is a thread for discussing creationism vs evolution etc, this is not it. This is about Schools banning creationism as a science.

 

Please remember that the same people who are being "fooled" believe that those may believe in religion are also being "fooled" into believing in whatever god(s) they do. You cannot "demolish" my own or anyone elses beliefs because you believe you are correct. I accept you have you're beliefs, show some respect and accept mine.

 

It's been pointed out many times to you that you cannot state anything is a fact without any form of evidence, their is a hell of a lot more evidence that for Evolution/Darwinism than their is for creationism yet I do not call me beliefs a fact because it has not been proven.

 

You may not believe you are being offensive but you are effectively calling me a fool for believing in something you don't and that is offensive and I do take offence. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, forget religion for just one second and actually think before you write and respect you're fellow man/women regardless of their beliefs. 

 

+1 on that, I won't have my opinion changed by anybody, regardless of how hard they come down on me.

[Mazhar]

Mazhar, as mentioned... there is a thread for discussing creationism vs evolution etc, this is not it. This is about Schools banning creationism as a science.

 

Please remember that the same people who are being "fooled" believe that those may believe in religion are also being "fooled" into believing in whatever god(s) they do. You cannot "demolish" my own or anyone elses beliefs because you believe you are correct. I accept you have you're beliefs, show some respect and accept mine.

 

It's been pointed out many times to you that you cannot state anything is a fact without any form of evidence, their is a hell of a lot more evidence that for Evolution/Darwinism than their is for creationism yet I do not call me beliefs a fact because it has not been proven.

 

You may not believe you are being offensive but you are effectively calling me a fool for believing in something you don't and that is offensive and I do take offence. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, forget religion for just one second and actually think before you write and respect you're fellow man/women regardless of their beliefs. 

 

Well I am talking in general, I am not saying it directly to any one person, so your point is wrong. And yes I can and I will state a fact a fact and in return I am providing the proof, and no there is no evidence of evolution at all. In fact Creationism has evidences in the form of matter and atom and is very easy to prove.

 

Nonetheless, you are right that this is not the thread to talk about evolution vs creationism, so with that in mind I will just leave, anyone wants to go ahead, may post in official religion thread.

[Setnom]

Tell me 'the world started with the big bang'. I?ll respond 'but where did the matter that was required for that to happen come from?'.

 

No scientifically literate person will tell you that the world started with the Big Bang. The Big Bang happened 13,8 billion years ago, the Earth is 4,54 billion years old.

 

 

And another: why are there still monkeys around today, living in the same time frame as humans?

 

The pilgrims came from Europe, so how come there are still europeans?

[FloatingFatMan]

Late in his life, Charles Darwin stated the theory of evolution was debatable even by himself. I 100% agree with him. I believe a supernatural force created the world initially, and it?s something we will never fully understand.

 

Tell me 'the world started with the big bang'. I?ll respond 'but where did the matter that was required for that to happen come from?'.

 

God is the supernatural force I am referring to above. <deleted>

 

Another thought I have: could evolution actually create animals and nature of such great beauty? And another: why are there still monkeys around today, living in the same time frame as humans?

 

Finally, what do Muslims think about evolution/creationism?

 

Back then, evolution didn't have the wealth of overwhelming evidence to support it that we do now, so of course Darwin said it should be debated... ALL theories should be debated, that's just good science.  He wasn't saying it was wrong or that the god hypothesis was correct, he was just being a good scientist.

Oh they are afraid that people shouldn't know the truth, what will happen to their jobs then? Nonetheless, they can't hide the truth of Creationism by banning it.

 

And what happened to freedom of speech?

 

The only thing they're afraid of is that impressionable kids will think creationism is science, when it isn't.

 

This has nothing at all to do with freedom of speech.

[xdot.tk]

This thread is hilarious. Subscribing so I can get some chuckles in my inbox.

[FloatingFatMan]

Evolution was never a science, it was, is and will always be a theory that has already been defeated. This Universe and everything in it is created and is being continuously monitored by Almighty God.

 

Where is your proof that the science of evolution has been defeated? Just you saying so doesn't make it so.

Truth hurts.

 

Which is why you and your ilk constantly try to obfuscate it with your drivel.

'Are you saying regulations should be put in place against Atheists?'

No, but regulations should be put on modern media (compare TV now to 20 years ago, and what a modern child will grow up seeing for instance).

 

'You're being quite offensive and intolerant.'

Easy on the pedal - everyone's allowed to share their own views.

 

Modern media IS regulated.

 

What regulations do you think should be put in place?

[FloatingFatMan]

You seriously think big bang created everything? Look at how complex every part of our body and nature is. You trying to say that bacteria evolved and started creating humans and plants and so on? The whole evolution theory is to distract people away from God, becuase thats what the devil wants. If you actually think about how everything works and functions so perfectly, no way could evolution ever come into anyones mind. People who actually believe that rubbish, just need to think about it properly.

 

Evolution does not, and never has, claimed to explain the origins of life; you're confusing it with abiogenesis..  

 

Please go and educate yourself as to what evolution actually is before you try to argue against it. Same goes for every theist out there.  Hardly any of you even understand what you're decrying.

[DeltaXray]

and no there is no evidence of evolution at all. In fact Creationism has evidences in the form of matter and atom and is very easy to prove.

 

 

False. By things existing the only proof is that they exist, not how they got there.

 

The fact is that there is proof that things evolve. It has been observed and doucmented. As I said earlier it is why you need a different flu shot every year. The flu strain has mutated/'evolved'. It happens. Get over it.

 

That's not to say some higher being didn't simply kick off the whole process. Create the big bang and let nature and evolution take its course.  Personally I don't believe that, but that area of discussion seems to be lacking when it comes to creationism OR evolution. There never seems to be that middle ground.

[Skiver Veteran]

Well I am talking in general, I am not saying it directly to any one person, so your point is wrong. And yes I can and I will state a fact a fact and in return I am providing the proof, and no there is no evidence of evolution at all. In fact Creationism has evidences in the form of matter and atom and is very easy to prove.

 

Nonetheless, you are right that this is not the thread to talk about evolution vs creationism, so with that in mind I will just leave, anyone wants to go ahead, may post in official religion thread.

I have quoted and replied to you in said thread.

 

Guys, I know I didn't help things myself but please can we continue this in the thread I have linked to and keep this topic on topic. 

[spikey_richie]

Perhaps it time for a lock down Skiver...

[FloatingFatMan]

Well I am talking in general, I am not saying it directly to any one person, so your point is wrong. And yes I can and I will state a fact a fact and in return I am providing the proof, and no there is no evidence of evolution at all. In fact Creationism has evidences in the form of matter and atom and is very easy to prove.

 

 

So, now you claim the proof for evolution is wrong; kindly demonstrate that.  After all, if it's wrong, you can prove that, right?

[spikey_richie]

If CERN ever have an open day, you should be sure to go down there Mazhar; you'll have a blast!

[Nick H. Supervisor]

The Official Religion Thread.

Take the discussion there. We've moved from the article itself to a general discussion about religion.

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