Veteran With Concealed Carry Permit Shoots Back At Chicago Gunman


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Restricting magazine capacity only affects law abiding citizens, not the criminals. 

That's simply not true. If legal sales had no impact on criminals then one would expect mass shootings in the UK and Japan, as criminals would simply ignore the law and acquire guns - that isn't the case. Restricting legal access has a direct impact on illegal access.

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Restricting magazine capacity only affects law abiding citizens, not the criminals. 

This argument, made all the time by gun advocates, is faulty at best. Where do you think all the high capacity mags, that are currently in criminals' hands, came from? Do you think the criminals have their own manufacturing plants hidden away somewhere? Do they produce these magazines and weapons in their garages and basements?

 

If manufacturers are selling restricted magazines (10 rounds or less) then it stands to reason that those are the magazines that will transfer from legal owner to someone who will eventually use them in the commission of a crime. This would also have be done in conjunction with the destruction of high capacity magazines from confiscated or exchanged weapons.

 

Over time, you will begin to see only the lower capacity magazines in circulation amongst the general populace. That's not to say a lot of damage can't be done with 10 rounds. But, maybe... just maybe, when that mass shooter stops to reload, somebody can do something.

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Mexico is a great source, anyway the great majority of gun owners aren't homicidal maniacs. Why not make cars illegal? They cause more deaths each year than guns, and statistically I have a higher chance of being hit with a car than being shot.

 

I can reload a weapon very darn fast, and I also have no qualms about using anything as a weapon to defend myself nor my family.

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Mexico is a great source, anyway the great majority of gun owners aren't homicidal maniacs. Why not make cars illegal? They cause more deaths each year than guns, and statistically I have a higher chance of being hit with a car than being shot.

 

I can reload a weapon very darn fast, and I also have no qualms about using anything as a weapon to defend myself nor my family.

Cars are made for transportation first and foremost, their intent (ever) is not as a weapon or means of killing, etc, etc. Guns, however, serve one purpose, and that is to kill.

 

That's the difference that makes your argument invalid.

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Cars are made for transportation first and foremost, their intent (ever) is not as a weapon or means of killing, etc, etc. Guns, however, serve one purpose, and that is to kill.

 

That's the difference that makes your argument invalid.

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Restricting magazine capacity only affects law abiding citizens, not the criminals. 

 

won't that apply to any law created?

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I like Mr. Noir, watched several of his videos. But, the video does nothing to invalidate what vieva has said. It's a poorly thought out argument. And, in about 20 years, cars will most likely take less lives than guns if how we treat guns remains the same.

 

Edit: I'm at least willing to acknowledge that gun violence in the United States is an epidemic. I'm also willing to make suggestions on how this epidemic can be stemmed as opposed to making the same status quo arguments over and over. Not exhaustive by any means, but all gun advocates have used at least one of the following:

 

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

 

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

 

"Let's ban cars, knives, toasters and swimming pools, because those all kill too."

 

"Laws will only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore the laws."

 

"I would rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it."

 

"This is all some liberal, socialist, pansy democratic plot to disarm the American people."

 

"This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for shooting. This is for fun." Wait...

 

And, when all the other arguments fail... Dammit! It's my 2nd Amendment right!"

 

Hey. I'm glad this guy was able to defend himself based on what we know. And, though I hope to never be put in this type of situation in the future, I'm prepared to defend me and mine as well.

 

But, the facts are most firearms are used to perpetrate a crime as opposed to thwarting one. More people have been killed by bad guys with guns as opposed to saved by good guys with guns. It's not even remotely close.

 

This has got to change. Let's at least make it more difficult for people to kill each other. I'll bet murder rates would drop dramatically if murderers were forced to use weapons other than guns.

 

Just think, how many gangbangers really want to drive through another gang's territory, get out of the car, walk up to a group of rival gang members and try and stab somebody or beat them with a bat? Back in the day you had scheduled rumbles. Now days, gangstas are lazy and guns make the "I don't even have to get out of the car (aka the drive-by)" killing a lot easier.

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I like Mr. Noir, watched several of his videos. But, the video does nothing to invalidate what vieva has said. It's a poorly thought out argument. And, in about 20 years, cars will most likely take less lives than guns if how we treat guns remains the sam

Maybe not but they shouldn't be banned because they were designed to kill. 

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Maybe not but they shouldn't be banned because they were designed to kill. 

I agree. I, personally, am not for a ban. If I was, I wouldn't spend $500+ on a firearm. But, I am for an overhaul of regulations and restrictions from the manufacturer down.

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You just don't see the same thing happening in countries like the UK or Germany.

 

Actually, yes you do.. Ask people like Jean Charles de Menezes and Mark Duggan.  (Oh wait, you can't... The cops killed them and got away with it.)

 

It's a LOT rarer here, but it DOES still happen. :(

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Actually, yes you do.. Ask people like Jean Charles de Menezes and Mark Duggan.  (Oh wait, you can't... The cops killed them and got away with it.)

 

It's a LOT rarer here, but it DOES still happen. :(

rarer = better though right?

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These kids weren't ordered to join. They did so of their own free will knowing full well what they were in for, which for most of them is to play real life Call of Duty (warning: may be traumatizing for some) with real people and real life guns to the soundtrack of The Roof is on Fire. Getting paid for that is a bonus. It's sure a hell lot more than what they would make at McDonald's per hour. Also they'd get called heroes back home.

 

Cant remember a news where you were constantly under fire (or on day-to-day fear of stepping on an IED) working in ?Donalnds.

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AS STATED PREVIOUSLY,

the US had a large magazine ban about 20 years ago. The law expired due to a sunset provision, but the research after showed it had ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT.

Why?

Because,

1) very few crimes are committed with rifles of any kind so they are a statistical null.

Note here that something like a MAC-10 or UZI is classified as a handgun, not a rifle, because of their short length.

2) anyone wanting a larger capacity can easily tape 2 mags together and RAPIDLY flip them when one runs out. We're talking a second or so with practice.

3) if they're REALLY dedicated minor sheet metal (or in some cases, plastic) work can make or extend a mag.

Magazines are basically just an elongated box with a ~20 guage piano wire spring inside. The follower (bullet pusher) can be made of shaped plastic, brass or even dense wood. Anyone with high school shop skills can make one. Instructions are online.

Taped mags

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I think this has ran its course

 

Any Gun Discussion please direct it to the gun thread

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