10-year-old boy shot by deputy during capture of suspect

[DocM]

There are a good deal of legitimate reasons for that that have nothing to do with training. It's not a legitimate argument for arming more civilians.

My comment was more an indictment of the general poor training and tactics in many PD's. Of course the opposite should be true, but in a LOT of departments it simply isn't. That's why the FBI etc. are so concerned.

[HawkMan]

That is one hell of a stat.  Is there a source for it?

 

That is one hell of a stat.  Is there a source for it?

 

It's an incomplete statement

 

A hobbyist shooter who spends 1-2 hours a day outside of work shooting is a better marksman in competition shooting and 5 times a better shot at shooting rang targets than a cop that spends 8 hours a day working and is to mentally and physically exhausted at the end of the day to be shooting a gun for fun, unpaid, after work.

 

As for anyone doubting the need to shoot the dog. A dog reacts to strangers. Strangers who wear big bulky unhuman looking clothes especially, hence why dog owners who need emergency medical car at home can be a bit of an issue for paramedics. The dogs will often attack them. Replace peaceful paramedics with scary cops coming yelling and acting threatening and any dog will attack to defend unless the owner holds it back. If its a medium to big dog they can do a lot of damage, even a small muscular dog like a jack Russell can ruin you hand or leg.

[DocM]

That is one hell of a stat. Is there a source for it?

Newsweek published the numbers in a 2003 story, and leaning left they are not very pro-gun.

A lot of Newsweek's stuff is behind a paywall, but this Forbes story indirectly references it. There are other studies before and since showing similar, or even worse, disparities but the anti-gunners would likely not accept these sources even though they were well done.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/2/

On the other hand, Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).

And here's an example of blindly opening up: NYC cops wound 9 bystanders in ONE event. BIG stink because contrary to initial reports the suspect never fired.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds-caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The encounter was breathtakingly brief: a surveillance video showed a gunman outside the Empire State Building on Friday pulling a pistol, pointing it at two police officers, their firing at him and his falling to the sidewalk.

All the yelling and cries of pain occurred out of camera view, just north of where the gunman, Jeffrey T. Johnson, collapsed and died: nine bystanders were struck, cradling bloody arms or lying on the sidewalks and curbs.

The police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, confirmed on Saturday that all nine were wounded by police bullets, bullet fragments or shrapnel from ricochets. Mr. Kelly also confirmed that the shooter, Mr. Johnson, never fired another shot after killing a former co-worker, Steven Ercolino, moments earlier.

?We had a witness that said that Johnson fired at the police,? Mr. Kelly said Saturday. ?But the final count of the shells, it appears that that is not the case.?

It was the second time in two weeks that police officers fired fusillades on the crowded streets of Midtown ? 28 shots fired between the two episodes ? and with it, there were once again questions of police protocol in urban settings. In the first shooting, no bystanders were struck when officers fired 12 shots at a man with a knife just south of Times Square.

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[farmeunit]

It's an incomplete statement

 

A hobbyist shooter who spends 1-2 hours a day outside of work shooting is a better marksman in competition shooting and 5 times a better shot at shooting rang targets than a cop that spends 8 hours a day working and is to mentally and physically exhausted at the end of the day to be shooting a gun for fun, unpaid, after work.

 

As for anyone doubting the need to shoot the dog. A dog reacts to strangers. Strangers who wear big bulky unhuman looking clothes especially, hence why dog owners who need emergency medical car at home can be a bit of an issue for paramedics. The dogs will often attack them. Replace peaceful paramedics with scary cops coming yelling and acting threatening and any dog will attack to defend unless the owner holds it back. If its a medium to big dog they can do a lot of damage, even a small muscular dog like a jack Russell can ruin you hand or leg.

This is from an older article, but still relevant: taken from http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

"According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. But, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita, you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. That is as low as I can get that number."

As for your statement about the dog, you know NOTHING about what the dog did. It said NOTHING about the dog attacking the officer. Do you know what ASSUME means? Not a single dog I've ever owned would attack someone, but they sure would bark. You, as an officer, shouldn't be shooting first and asking questions later. You assess the situation and protect yourself and others. It only says one shot was fired. If the dog was attacking, why wasn't a SECOND shot fired. How come no one is asking that SIMPLE question? If the dog was a danger, then why wasn't it shot AFTER the kid was shot?

Stop assuming you all know how all of us think about cops, robbers, dogs, guns, and look at simple facts that are presented to you.