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#1 McKay

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:03

I really didn't think the void was that bad, but a 5 year old GPU outperforming both consoles.. He couldn't even underclock the GPU by enough to match the Xbox One.

 




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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:06

Enough of the "PC Master race" trolling, please. It's not acceptable for console wars, we're certainly not going to overlook PC vs console wars.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:07

I'm not trolling. I just didn't realise how big the void was. I find it astonishing that Sony/MS poured all that money into developing the custom Jaguar chip, and it's outperformed by a GPU so old it isn't even available anymore.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:13

Enough of the "PC Master race" trolling, please. It's not acceptable for console wars, we're certainly not going to overlook PC vs console wars.

 

What's there to troll? :laugh: For all the hype and whatever that Sony and Microsoft were trying to build, they failed laughably. Today's GPUs outperform the consoles' by a large margin, imagine what the future GPUs will do, considering that S/MS keep joking that this console generation will last 10+ years. :laugh:

 

This has nothing to do with #PCMasterRace, anyone with two grams of brain can realise this.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:22

I really didn't think the void was that bad, but a 5 year old GPU outperforming both consoles.. He couldn't even underclock the GPU by enough to match the Xbox One.

 

That was evidence?

 

 

Eh....

 

 

Anyway, how much of that is just poor coding?



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:22

A 5 year-old high-end video card outperforms a console's graphics?  Whodathunkit?  Let's not forget that this card was $500 when it came out and still sells now for ~$120.  So basically, when this card came out, the card itself was more expensive than the entire console.  LOL.

 

I didn't even bother looking at the video for more than a few seconds because it's clearly a "hurrdurr pc masterrace" kind of video and I just wanted to learn what card they were using.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:29

A 5 year-old high-end video card outperforms a console's graphics?  Whodathunkit?  Let's not forget that this card was $500 when it came out and still sells now for ~$120.  So basically, when this card came out, the card itself was more expensive than the entire console.  LOL.

 

Yes it was high end, but it's 5 years old now. That's ancient.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:30

^ Ancient and would cost a fraction of the price to make these days. :)



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:31

I'm not trolling. I just didn't realise how big the void was. I find it astonishing that Sony/MS poured all that money into developing the custom Jaguar chip, and it's outperformed by a GPU so old it isn't even available anymore.

 

The video is fine and a decent talking point. The image I removed was nothing but flamebait and I won't tolerate it.

 

What's there to troll? :laugh: For all the hype and whatever that Sony and Microsoft were trying to build, they failed laughably. Today's GPUs outperform the consoles' by a large margin, imagine what the future GPUs will do, considering that S/MS keep joking that this console generation will last 10+ years. :laugh:

 

This has nothing to do with #PCMasterRace, anyone with two grams of brain can realise this.

 

See above.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:33

It should be a lot easier to get consistent performance from the console version of the game as when you program for a console you know exactly what hardware you are programming for where as with PC's there are 1000's of combinations of hardware you need to try and get the game working with.

 

Lets face it, yes the PC version if done properly will look better, have much higher resolution and better framerate.

 

But for most people they just don't give a crap, they just want something they can sit on the sofa, turn it on and play with their mates.

 

Also consoles tend to be played on TV's with people sitting further away than they would with a PC so they can often get away with things not looking quite as sharp as the PC counterpart.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:40

This topic has got off to a very bad start but I believe it has potential for some decent discussion, hence it has stayed open.

 

However, that will only be the case if there is less of the PC master race nonsense, less console vs pc war and less of the memes / useless flamebait images.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:40

We all know that MS and Sony are basically selling their consoles at a small loss or maybe break even, so I think anyone thinking clearly should realize that we are getting about the best we can get for $400.

Bringing up the fact that pcs can be more powerful is not really relevant. If someone can find a way to fit in more powerful hardware into a console without going above $400, I would love to hear a break down.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:41

Not really a big deal. If you want extreme graphics performance out of your Xbox One, you can use the hidden expansion ports on the left side and hook up some Titans.

 

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:42

You could make the same argument about a 5 year-old $500 high-end video card outperforming a current mid-range video card.  You're comparing apples and oranges.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 18:43

This is such a simplistic view of the problem it's hard to explain.

 

By removing all other bottlenecks other than the video card, they made sure that API overhead (which exists on the consoles) was non-existent in their test. Also anything else that wasn't graphics related stopped being accounted in their test — and it is counted in the consoles.

 

Overall, this was a fairly unrealistic comparison.

 

Not to mention what was mentioned earlier: they used a high-end video card. Look at its size, price (then) and power consumption! You can't realistically put the equivalent card in today's values into a console and expect it to "work" in terms of pricing, power envelope, and cooling.

 

The advantages that consoles have is that they have the potential to be highly integrated software and hardware-wise and, with that, getting extra performance and lower latencies as developers get to know the platform. It always happens to every console generation and will happen in this one. Just sit and wait.

 

Dayumn I'd love some integrated GPU+CPU memory (the way current-gen consoles and the iOS devices do it) on a PC arch...