Trying to boot from usb..weird behaviour.

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I'd try to move it cause I've configured a lot on new o.s. What happends if I'll leave it the way it is finally ? I quess it wouldn't hurt something or..

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Thanks .. I'll also want to find out if that really took place.. if it's on hdd and on ssd is missing.. but I also quess moving it (cut) it's pretty risky..

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Ok quick info on this from your disk screenshot - you have both the disk 0 first partition (called dynamic) and C: part on disk 1 set as active. Not good - you should only ever have 1 partition set as active. Now sure you can have active on different disks but the one the systems sees first would be the one that boots.

Currently your disk 0 dynamic named part is also system part, which is what actually boots the OS - the OS files sit in the boot partition, yeah its not good naming choice if you ask me ;)

If your not dual booting, and you want to set it up best practice and most logical way what I would do is remove system and active from disk 0 part named dynamic and then disconnect those and do a clean install on your SSD. Now you should have a 100MB partition created normally. And system and boot would be on this disk ask well.

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So you see system and active is first part on the first disk 0. And then Boot is on my first disk 2nd part.

You could debate the proper location of page and crash if belong on ssd or no.

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Well..here is how it look actually . I'm not dual booting.. I have the o.s. (win 7 ultimate x64) on ssd (c partition) and other stuff on hdd. Any change to make some corrections locally (without reinstall) ?

I also wish to avoid large amount of written data on ssd..hear that has impact on performance/life after all.

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Yeah as I said already that is not a common/best practice setup. That is an irregular configuration.

your "boot" is actually off your E: and the OS files are on C sure.

As to reinstall and written data to your SSD.. Due the life of the SSDs these days are TB and TBs of data.. The install of the OS is not going to be an issue on the life of your SSD.

If was me, I would I would move SSD sot its disk 0 and do clean install with that is the only disk connected. I would then connect your other disk so its disk 1 and redo it so it only has primary partition on it. Why you have 2 partitions seems odd to me as well - why do you have a E and D partition? What does that buy you vs just 1 partition in your opinion?

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If was me, I would I would move SSD sot its disk 0 and do clean install with that is the only disk connected

 

How to move it to disk 0?.. so basically quick format ssd (single connected to system)..and after o.s. install connect hdd and make what changes for it? This will skip me from that wierd bootmgr.missing error too? I need two partitions on hdd.. :)

Reinstall o.s. on ssd involves also installing a lot of software and stuff..that's what I mean. And also read that format on ssd is not pretty much recommended.

 

 

then connect your other disk so its disk 1 and redo it so it only has primary partition on it

 

Redo what?

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Yes Windows is a pain to make USB bootable. Whereas GNU/Linux is just simply 'dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M' for example, you have to mess around with the boot sector and iso format to get it to work for Windows. I wish Microsoft would simplify the process to make it as streamlined and simple as Linux.

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"I need two partitions on hdd."

Why? make no sense - what you need is 2 folders ;)

Dude I don't care if you were filling the SSD up with software.. Your talking 100's of TBs of the life of the SSD.. You not writing a 100GB to it is not saving you anything off the life of the drive. Modern drives more than likely will be upgraded to new faster bigger drives way before you wear them out writing data too them.

So my ssd has been on for bit over 431 days.. And have written less than 4TB..

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I am quite sure 100TB is not a problem for this disk - so at 4TB in lets call it a year, I have on estimate 100/4 = 25 - 1 so about 24 years left ;) I find it almost impossible to think I would still be using this disk in even 5 years let alone 24..

Now its quite possible it could crash tmrw as well, but me worried about installing the OS on it a few times because it will shorten the life or wear it out is nuts.

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ok.. so your advice was to merge E(which has system) to D and this way I'll lose system from hdd. Found something really tricky here but I'm sure it won't work.. :(

"If C is already marked Active, then you are good to go with Startup Repair run from booted DVD/CD up to 3 separate times with reboots, no matter what messages are given.

You need to write System MBR to C which Startup Repair is automated to do if run enough times."

 

I'd give a try EasyBCD too.. :|

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I didn't say anything about merge.. There is not such thing as a "merge" of partition. Just delete them both and create new and put your data back.. Your talking a few hundred GB of data even if they were FULL.. I show you at 144GB free on the one, so at most your talking 320GB of data max!! Just copy it off to external disk, don't you have your files backed up somewhere? What if that disk died this afternoon?

I don't understand why people try to make everything so complicated.

Pull your 2nd disk, install your SSD and do a clean install. This will create 2 partitions, your system reserved where your system files "boot" sit and then your "system" partition where your OS lives. (C;)

Now attach your 2nd disk and copy off the stuff you want to keep or wipe it and restore from your backup and create 1 partition on it. Done - your talking 3 hours or so maybe, and that would be installing all your software, etc. and copy speed to your disk for 320GB counting 2 hours of copy time at really really slow 50MBps.. And your copy time shouldn't even count in the process since you can just walk away and watch a movie or something or be doing something else like installing your software while your copy happens, etc.

"You need to write System MBR to C which Startup Repair is automated to do if run enough times."

What?? You don't have to do anything other than click go on the install.. Why are you trying to make this complicated?

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Yes.. I'll do this tommorow. The problem is that I can't give up partition D and actually don't have an external disk to backup all that's inside... I know-I know.. God loves me. :D

- If I delete E partition and merge that unlocatted resulted space to D it will be ok ?

 

I'll should have

1.C (System,Boot,Page file etc).. SSD

          & 100mb unlocatted - SSD

2. D ( Primary Partition) - entire HDD

 

I quess this is what you actually mean. Sorry for disturbing you but I'm not an expert with these and worry a bit. :(

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"- If I delete E partition and merge that unlocatted resulted space to D it will be ok ?"

What do you have on E, how much free space? The thing is windows doesn't allow you to expand basic disk partitions on the left. So if you deleted E you could not grow D into the now unallocated space that was E.

What you could do is delete E, and then recreate it - then there will only be primary flag on it. Now move your files over to E from D. Then delete D and expand E into that now unallocated space. Then relabel it to D if you want.

What your ssd should like then would be

[system reserved - system, active, primary][ C drive - boot, page, crash, primary][unallocated - 10GB or so]

Not sure where you come up with 100MB - normally the Over-provisioning is like 10%

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Sure you can make it less if you want, guess if your really cutting it close on space you need on the SSD, etc.

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Currently shrinked E and gives me another 17.14gb partition left.. how should I create a new volume from unllocated and integrate that 17.14gb partition in it ?

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Dude what? Delete E!! then create a New E and move your files from D to it. Then delete D and expand E.. What good doe that empty space in the middle do you?

But your not going to be able to do that until you redo your SSD with a clean install and that drive disconnected so that your complete boot and os is on the SSD.

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Am how to delete E? :( ..

So now.. I should extend that 17gb partition with 178.17 unllocated space (back to original E).. reinstall o.s. on ssd with hdd pulled out.. reconnect hdd and delete E .. but how ?

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And like I said pull the drive and clean install to your SSD -- right now you booted off that drive, so no system is not going to let you delete it. And if wont let you delete because of system flag - then boot recovery console or PE or live linux cd and delete it.

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Been able to do that all.. here it is.. I quess it's ok now!

One single question.. that D partition which belongs to HDD can be defragged?

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Well that is better... But why is system not in a reserved part at the front where you 101MB part is? Normal windows install for sure flavors that support bitlocker will create that 100MB part at the front of the disk and put the system and active flag on it.

So you have 101MB as your over provision for your ssd?

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So you have 101MB as your over provision for your ssd?

 

 

Yes..as it was before.

I don't know why..haven't customized any setting on install but I quess it won't hurt so much after all.

Thanks a lot for all details and time spent with my issues. :)

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Your much closer to a standard sort of install now. Your boot and system and active is on your ssd.

Have fun!

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