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#31 Knive Party

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 14:19

I think I'm going to sue Sony because the game graphics for my old PS1 games don't look as good as the pre-rendered CG cut-scenes they put on the game cases...(sarcasm)

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#32 trooper11

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 15:14

GT5 is 1280x1080 and has been called 1080p without a lawsuit.

 

At least with The Order what you see of the game is simply full res, just like a movie with black bars is 1080p. But who knows maybe this guy will sue Sony not putting the viewing ratio on The Order box.

 

That would be perfect :laugh:  He would better represent the insanity of some online reacting to the whole resolution business. Maybe this will help calm down the arguments, illustrating how silly it gets.



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 15:26

the box resolution argument will never fly, because theres no deception there, the output is 1080p period, whether the game is 1080p native or upscaled.

 

have said that, if the lawyers were smart, they would use the other instances of sony stating a certain performance for a game that didnt turn out to be true, instead of relying on the box details, like stating watchdogs is 1080p60fps when it was 900p30fps, or saying battlefield hardline beta is 1080p60fps when it turned out to be 900p and variable fps. it shows a pattern of deceit.

 

wanting $5 million is ridiculous on the surface, but like any lawsuit, you usually aim high because if it comes down to a settlement, you have way more negotiating room to get a higher return.



#34 francescob

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 15:33

Should have bought Chillzone instead.



#35 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 15:43

Sony misled consumers, that much is clear. Is a multi-million dollar lawsuit appropriate? I'm not sure but certainly it would send a message that publishers cannot deliberately deceive consumers, which I think would be a positive thing.



#36 Gerowen

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 20:52

To be fair the game is 1080p in single player.

 

I don't see this case going anywhere.

That's what I was just thinking.  I haven't played it, I don't even own a PS4, but it's not uncommon for games to be "toned down" in multiplayer, especially in split screen mode, to help compensate for the extra workload of dealing with network latency and having to render everything twice (once for each player in splitscreen).  Play CoD in split screen on an XBox 360/PS3 and look at how washed out the textures get, let alone the resolution.  My question is who in the world got so bored that they paused it and started counting pixels, and then thought it was important enough for a lawsuit?



#37 BajiRav

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 08:07

Its actually not interlacing, from Guerilla

I am not an image processing expert but they are not rendering a 1920x1080 frame and that's where the lawsuit stems from. Sony/GG should have never claimed a "native 1080p" when they knew they are not true 1080p in one instance of the game.

Apart from that, their explanation sounds PR ######. Don't call it "Scaling" call it "temporal reprojection". Yeah sure - you are extrapolating pixels and not rendering them in both cases.

 

The lawsuit is stupid and pointless because the 1080p on the box will legally stand in the court but that doesn't mean Sony/GG didn't lie. They pandered to the resolution warriors and now it is biting them back.

 

That's what I was just thinking.  I haven't played it, I don't even own a PS4, but it's not uncommon for games to be "toned down" in multiplayer, especially in split screen mode, to help compensate for the extra workload of dealing with network latency and having to render everything twice (once for each player in splitscreen).  Play CoD in split screen on an XBox 360/PS3 and look at how washed out the textures get, let alone the resolution.  My question is who in the world got so bored that they paused it and started counting pixels, and then thought it was important enough for a lawsuit?

There is a whole bunch of people on this forum who are "concerned" about the pixel resolution. Have a look here. http://www.neowin.ne...ate-discussion/



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 23:29

Sony misled consumers, that much is clear. Is a multi-million dollar lawsuit appropriate? I'm not sure but certainly it would send a message that publishers cannot deliberately deceive consumers, which I think would be a positive thing.

 

It's the only way to get through to gigantic corporations these days. Had he wrote a letter of complaint he would either

 

A. Get ignored

B. Get a generic apology letter and a $10 PSN Voucher



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Posted Yesterday, 22:08

SAN FRANCISCO (CN) - A class action lawsuit accusing Sony Computer Entertainment of embellishing how good the graphics are in its "Killzone: Shadow Fall" videogame will proceed, a federal judge ruled.

In the class action filedthis past August, lead plaintiff Douglas Ladore claims that Sony's "Killzone: Shadow Fall" videogame - pitched by the company as a "crowning achievement in the videogame industry" - was advertised to have multiplayer mode graphics in full 1080p high-definition resolution, but didn't meet that bar.

"Gamers quickly noticed and complained that Killzone's multiplayer graphics were blurry to the point of distraction," Ladore's complaint alleges.

Sony moved to dismiss the complaint on several grounds. The company argued that its representations about the graphics weren't false, that Ladore didn't adequately plead reliance on any alleged misrepresentation, that the game doesn't fall under the California Consumer Legal Remedies Act and that the "economic loss rule" bars Ladore's tort claim for negligent misrepresentation.

But on Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Edward Chen denied all but one of Sony's arguments, holding the company's motion was "premised on an unduly narrow reading of plaintiff's complaint."

"The substantial majority of the arguments Sony raises in its motion to dismiss can be rejected for two simple reasons - either Sony's arguments ignore important factual allegations that are well pleaded in Ladore's complaint, or Sony's arguments require this court to construe the complaint in the light most favorable to Sony, rather than Ladore, who is entitled to the benefit of all reasonable inferences at this stage of the proceedings," Chen wrote.

On Ladore's negligent misrepresentation cause of action, however, Chen found the claim inadequately pleaded under the economic loss rule since Ladore hadn't asserted any noneconomic losses stemming from his purchase of the game.

Ladore has 30 days to file an amended complaint. He is represented by Mark Eisen with Edelson P.C., of Los Angeles

http://www.entlawdig.../12/17/3563.htm



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Posted Yesterday, 23:39

Given that resolution and frame rate are "major" selling points in a very competitive market, it's fair game.