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#91 Ruti

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:05

I guess sensible defaults is what Elementary wins on. They have actual designers and UX guys working on it. KDE, by default, looks quite bad. It's the usual Linux issue, where you have great coders but no designers or interaction specialists.

In Elementary you can just install it and get going. It'll look great and work great, without you having to configure a ton of stuff manually.

That value is very important to a lot of people, the people who don't want to or can't spend a lot of time configuring things themselves.

I agree, imagine someone meeting linux for the first time. Their first impression can be "-damn that looks ugly and complicated" -you can customize it! "-well that sounds complicated too" or "damn that looks userfriendly and sexy" "-hell yeah!", i believe that was the only thing limiting linux as a mainstream os, ubuntu was cool once, but they ######ed it up. EOS looks a lot like osx really, but thats not a bad thing.

 

Eos is what linux needed to attract new users. Period. 

 

Noone wants an ugly baby, to fix him later. everyone want it to be cute out of the box... or the ######.




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Posted 21 August 2014 - 20:59

But hang on, you can have all that on eOS as well, ofc. Not installed by default but possible. But again, you dont have anything of that in windows too so while I agree with you at some points, is not necessarily a major downside of eOS (or any other distro that lack those fetaures), each one has something to offer, each WM/DE too.

 

Dolphin >>>> Files (eOS)

 

But... Dolphin is on the market for YEARS now, the team behind it is huge, remember that!

 

KDE is more resource hungry so a laptop/ultrabook user might want to use something like eOS, Openbox, MATE, etc to keep it speedy

 

I do hope they implement stuff in Files (eOS) because its just barebones with looks now, but they will get there, they are not Thunar-like minimalistc hehe

 

Linux is great because of that, the integration, possibilities, pretty much endless :)



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 21:39

Keep it on topic please



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 22:42

Here's my 2 cents on this: To anyone who says "this build doesn't have this kernel, or this browser, or whatever", I say ######. These guys behind eOS are the first, I think, that understood the main Linux problem: user friendliness. It's the most polished distro I've ever used, and I used a LOT of them so far. It's just right for the common user that just wants to listen to some music, browse some websites, read mail and so on. Basic things I mean. That's why it's called "elementary". Obviously, for a power user, this distro seems too locked down out of the box, and I agree. But I think this is what a OS should be like out of the box. Because the majority of PC users are not power users, they don't know ###### about terminal, apt-get and stuff like this. eOS is something that even my grandmother could use, and this is GOOD. Who needs bells and whistles, like KDE that is a huge memory hog, or fancy GUI effects, like Compiz & stuff? Nobody seems to focus on the 1st user experience, the one after the installation. eOS is beautiful and it just WORKS. You want to mess with it further? No problem, but don't blame the team behind it because some app you like doesn't fit the overall design of the OS. I really agree and support the mentality behind eOS, and yes, I too think that this is the best Linux distro so far.



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 23:21

Here's my 2 cents on this: To anyone who says "this build doesn't have this kernel, or this browser, or whatever", I say ######. These guys behind eOS are the first, I think, that understood the main Linux problem: user friendliness. It's the most polished distro I've ever used, and I used a LOT of them so far. It's just right for the common user that just wants to listen to some music, browse some websites, read mail and so on. Basic things I mean. That's why it's called "elementary". Obviously, for a power user, this distro seems too locked down out of the box, and I agree. But I think this is what a OS should be like out of the box. Because the majority of PC users are not power users, they don't know ###### about terminal, apt-get and stuff like this. eOS is something that even my grandmother could use, and this is GOOD. Who needs bells and whistles, like KDE that is a huge memory hog, or fancy GUI effects, like Compiz & stuff? Nobody seems to focus on the 1st user experience, the one after the installation. eOS is beautiful and it just WORKS. You want to mess with it further? No problem, but don't blame the team behind it because some app you like doesn't fit the overall design of the OS. I really agree and support the mentality behind eOS, and yes, I too think that this is the best Linux distro so far.

You understand very well what elementary OS is all about it... The main key is the user-friendly, beautiful interface and can be used even by my mom.

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:56

Here's my 2 cents on this: To anyone who says "this build doesn't have this kernel, or this browser, or whatever", I say ######. These guys behind eOS are the first, I think, that understood the main Linux problem: user friendliness. It's the most polished distro I've ever used, and I used a LOT of them so far. It's just right for the common user that just wants to listen to some music, browse some websites, read mail and so on. Basic things I mean. That's why it's called "elementary". Obviously, for a power user, this distro seems too locked down out of the box, and I agree. But I think this is what a OS should be like out of the box. Because the majority of PC users are not power users, they don't know ###### about terminal, apt-get and stuff like this. eOS is something that even my grandmother could use, and this is GOOD. Who needs bells and whistles, like KDE that is a huge memory hog, or fancy GUI effects, like Compiz & stuff? Nobody seems to focus on the 1st user experience, the one after the installation. eOS is beautiful and it just WORKS. You want to mess with it further? No problem, but don't blame the team behind it because some app you like doesn't fit the overall design of the OS. I really agree and support the mentality behind eOS, and yes, I too think that this is the best Linux distro so far.

 

 

You understand very well what elementary OS is all about it... The main key is the user-friendly, beautiful interface and can be used even by my mom.

 

 i think we got a bunch of cents in here since i agree completely with you both



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 03:54

i disagree here. kde can be made looking quite good with the right iconset, as i have shown in my distro.

elementary does nothing besides good looking. lacking features. that's a fact.

 

I don't think kde looks good.  I've tried so many times but I just don't like the kde design.  It takes more than icons to fix it.

 

I do like the elementary ui but i think they need to define it more.



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 07:07

Here's my 2 cents on this: To anyone who says "this build doesn't have this kernel, or this browser, or whatever", I say ######. These guys behind eOS are the first, I think, that understood the main Linux problem: user friendliness. It's the most polished distro I've ever used, and I used a LOT of them so far. It's just right for the common user that just wants to listen to some music, browse some websites, read mail and so on. Basic things I mean. That's why it's called "elementary". Obviously, for a power user, this distro seems too locked down out of the box, and I agree. But I think this is what a OS should be like out of the box. Because the majority of PC users are not power users, they don't know ###### about terminal, apt-get and stuff like this. eOS is something that even my grandmother could use, and this is GOOD. Who needs bells and whistles, like KDE that is a huge memory hog, or fancy GUI effects, like Compiz & stuff? Nobody seems to focus on the 1st user experience, the one after the installation. eOS is beautiful and it just WORKS. You want to mess with it further? No problem, but don't blame the team behind it because some app you like doesn't fit the overall design of the OS. I really agree and support the mentality behind eOS, and yes, I too think that this is the best Linux distro so far.

 

Very well said. This is exactly what it's all about and I think it does a fantastic job too.

 

Being based on Ubuntu, the install is so straightforward just about anyone could make their way through the 7/8 "Next" clicks.

 

Once the install is complete it's entirely possible to use straight away without any fiddling around which is exactly why most people are still stuck on Windows - for the average user, it's ready to use. Users are fickle beasts. They want something simple that looks pretty and just works and works quickly. elementaryOS lives up to that need without costing a £. 

 

Sure, some of us want a little more behind the scenes. We'd like this browser or 17 graphs telling us how our HDD and CPU are doing, does the average user really care what temperature component x is giving off? This (as many have said) is the beautiful thing about Linux Distro's. There is something for everyone. elementaryOS is for the early birds and basic users and I've already introduced a few people to it who couldn't be happier.



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 22:20

I'm a little stunned. I just found out about this thing called PearOS (yeah, I don't read many Linux articles :laugh: ) and...it's almost identical to elementaryOS! Does this mean the eOS team continued that project?! :s I always thought this distro was developed from scratch (the GUI I mean).



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 22:48

I'm a little stunned. I just found out about this thing called PearOS (yeah, I don't read many Linux articles :laugh: ) and...it's almost identical to elementaryOS! Does this mean the eOS team continued that project?! :s I always thought this distro was developed from scratch (the GUI I mean).

I believe PearOS was shut down by Apple because their were using similar icons of iOS and they were bought it. They never said the truth, the team later said that they were bought out (without mentioning the company) and then shut down.

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 22:54

I believe PearOS was shut down by Apple because their were using similar icons of iOS and they were bought it. They never said the truth, the team later said that they were bought out (without mentioning the company) and then shut down.

Well that much I could read online, but how come eOS is basically identical to PearOS?! And if that scenario was true, how come Apple didn't do the same with them so far?



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 23:42

It fills my heart to read such praises for eOS. Definitively I thought it was the future of Linux and today it has earned such good reputation.

 

At least it has made something that seemed impossible: To present a Linux that is perfectly user friendly without making the Linux apostles to explode in anger.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 00:18

Well that much I could read online, but how come eOS is basically identical to PearOS?! And if that scenario was true, how come Apple didn't do the same with them so far?

It's all about the icons used... eOS use different style of icons... That's why Apple is allowing them to exist and also remember that Steve Jobs is dead. He was really off the chain with any other OS using icons similar to OS X. He will go thermonuclear with anyone.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 00:43

Linux is Shakira, OS X is Katy Perry and Windows is Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus

Don't insult my Gaga like that!



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 16:25

Hello, how stable is freya right now?