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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:05

US official: Military has been asked to send more troops to Iraq

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WASHINGTON – The State Department has asked the Pentagon to send additional troops to Iraq, according to a U.S. official.
The official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity, said that the number of personnel requested is fewer than 300.
“Military planners are considering it” but no decisions have been made, the official said.
The official could not provide a timeline for when the Pentagon would decide.
The State Department wants additional security personnel to be stationed “in and around Baghdad,” according to the official.
The official would not say specifically where the troops would go. But the U.S. has a large embassy in the capital which could potentially come under threat from Islamic State militants.
There are currently about 850 American troops in Iraq, including 100 or so that are part of the long-standing Office of Security Cooperation.
In June, the Defense Department sent about 450 servicemembers to protect U.S. diplomatic facilities in Baghdad as well as the Baghdad International Airport, which could be used to evacuate American citizens from Iraq if necessary.
The June deployment was precipitated by sweeping advances across Iraq by the Islamic State. Iraqi security forces, buttressed by Shia militia, have so far been able to prevent significant numbers of militants from reaching the capital.
The official who spoke to reporters is not aware of any specific intelligence about imminent threats that might have prompted the State Department request.
Meanwhile, U.S. military aircraft are continuing to bomb Islamic State targets near the Mosul Dam.
American fighters, attack aircraft and drones conducted 14 strikes Wednesday against insurgent Humvees, improvised explosive device emplacements, mortars, and trucks in the area, according to U.S. Central Command.
All U.S. planes involved exited the area safely, CENTCOM said in a press release.
Since Aug. 8, when the Pentagon began bombing militant targets at the request of the Iraqi government, the U.S. military has carried out 84 strikes across the country. The majority of those have been occurred in recent days as the U.S. began providing air support to Iraqi military and Kurdish pesh merga forces operating on the ground against militants near the Mosul Dam, according to CENTCOM.
Iraqi forces are now in control of the dam, according to DOD.
The latest round of airstrikes and the weighing of whether to send more troops to Iraq comes a day after the Islamic State released a video Tuesday showing the execution of American James Foley, a freelance journalist who previously worked for Stars and Stripes.
Foley went missing in 2012 while covering the civil war in Syria.
U.S. officials have confirmed the authenticity of the video.
The militants said the killing was in retaliation for recent U.S. military moves against them, and they threatened to kill another American reporter who they’ve captured if the American military effort continues.
On Wednesday, President Barack Obama condemned the killing of Foley and suggested that the campaign against the Islamic State will not cease.
“The United States of America will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. We will be vigilant and we will be relentless. When people harm Americans anywhere, we do what’s necessary to see that justice is done and we act against [the Islamic State],” he said at Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., where he and his family are vacationing.
The official who spoke to reporters said Foley’s execution has not affected the scope of the American military campaign.
“There has been no change to the U.S. military mission in Iraq,” according to the official.
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i fear 300 will not doing the job. but obamas pace concerning more troops seems to be the same as when he is playing golf. slowly and only one hit at once. this is not ennough.
 
 
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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:07

Volunteer yourself. Make it 301.

 

Some are so quick to want to send OTHER people into harms way.



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:15

These days I'm leaning more towards the idea of, "get everyone that doesn't live there out, and let the locals deal with the situation for a while, then see what the locals ask for."

Such a situation would fall apart in seconds though, for so many reasons. We need to appreciate that a hornet's nest has been kicked, and there is no easy way out of that. We can point the finger left, right and center, but that won't help us resolve the situation now.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:16

Volunteer yourself. Make it 301.

 

Some are so quick to want to send OTHER people into harms way.

 

if i just could do this. :/



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:19

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:02

'Sneakers on the Ground' ain't working so it's back to boots, and Europe is apparently getting the message too. Back to the Future.

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:14

if i just could do this. :/


Why can't you?

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:50

"Just say no"



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:17

Why can't you?

 

because i don't know how or if there exists any possibility or legal-trick to do so. i would do anything to make this happen. would lick all 300 pairs of these boots clean, would rip out every single hair left on my head, would go right now without having had breakfast. i know if you go fighting for hamas/isis you are perfectly legal to travel down there, do some terror attacks, and then you are even allowed to fly back to your european state, radicalised, collect benefits and nothing happens. but if you want to fight for the us in iraq and you have not the honor to be born there, you are lost afaik. :( :angry:

if anyone knows how: let me know. i fear after my "support" for the obama administration, he won't release a presidential decree, which probably would be the easiest way.



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:21

because i don't know how or if there exists any possibility or legal-trick to do so. i would do anything to make this happen. would lick all 300 pairs of these boots clean, would rip out every single hair left on my head, would go right now without having had breakfast. i know if you go fighting for hamas/isis you are perfectly legal to travel down there, do some terror attacks, and then you are even allowed to fly back to your european state, radicalised, collect benefits and nothing happens. but if you want to fight for the us in iraq and you have not the honor to be born there, you are lost afaik. :( :angry:
if anyone knows how: let me know. i fear after my "support" for the obama administration, he won't release a presidential decree, which probably would be the easiest way.


That's understandable, but why don't you just fly down to Iraq and pickup a weapon and start killing terrorists?

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:31

snip.

 

 

'Sneakers on the Ground' ain't working so it's back to boots, and Europe is apparently getting the message too. Back to the Future.

 

more of this. it's just a matter of time, till reality catches obama even on the golf-course.

 

 

U.S. fighter jets and drones stepped up attacks on Islamic State targets in Iraq and the Obama administration was weighing sending more boots on the ground -- even as the group released a graphic video showing the beheading of American journalist James Foley. 

Though the militants who executed Foley framed the brutal beheading as retaliation for American airstrikes, the administration gave no indication Wednesday that it was dialing back.

President Obama, speaking from Martha’s Vineyard where he's on vacation, responded to the online posting of the beheading video by calling for a “vigilant” and “relentless” effort against the group, also known as ISIS or ISIL. 

The president said the video of Foley's death "shocks the conscience," while vowing to continue the fight against the organization which has taken root across swaths of Iraq and Syria. He called for a "common effort" across the Middle East to "extract this cancer so it does not spread."

The Defense Department reported Wednesday afternoon that U.S. aircraft have conducted another 14 strikes near the Mosul Dam, which Kurdish and Iraqi forces recently re-took from Islamic militants. The latest strikes took out militants’ Humvees and other targets.

A senior U.S. official also told Fox News that military planners are weighing the possibility of sending more American forces to Iraq mainly to provide additional security “in and around Baghdad,” at the request of the State Department.

The official said the Pentagon is seriously considering sending fewer than 300 personnel, but there has been no final decision yet.

The developments come as U.S. intelligence analysts confirmed the authenticity of the execution video.

Military analysts and U.S. lawmakers say the execution should be a wake-up call to the need to dismantle the militant organization.  

The beheading marks the first time the Islamic State -- also known as ISIS, or ISIL -- has killed an American citizen since the Syrian conflict broke out in March 2011, upping the stakes in an increasingly chaotic and multilayered war.

“America got a glimpse of exactly who they are,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., told Fox News on Wednesday. “This is a group you need to deal with.”

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., called the "brutal execution" of a hostage "the clearest indication to date that ISIL has declared war on the United States."

The militants in the video railed against U.S. airstrikes in Iraq and threatened to kill a second American journalist, depending on Obama’s “next decision” – an apparent reference to U.S. military policy in the region. 

The video puts pressure on the White House to weigh the risks of ramping up airstrikes in Iraq targeting the Islamic State, and the possibility that militants could kill more Americans in response. Asked Wednesday how many other journalists are being held, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said officials are aware of "other Americans" and journalists from other countries. Fox News is told this includes the second journalist in the video, Steven Sotloff, and an unidentified U.S. aid worker. 

But as U.S. airstrikes continued, Rogers and others said the video only underscores the need to develop a clear strategy for defeating the group. Rogers said this week’s success, for instance, in helping Iraqi and Kurdish forces retake the Mosul Dam from militants must be part of a “bigger strategy.”  

“That [video] ought to get us off our backsides and get to work on dismantling this organization. It’s dangerous,” he told Fox News.

Foley's family also confirmed his death in a statement posted on a Facebook page that was created to rally support for his release, saying they "have never been prouder of him."

"He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people," said the statement, which was attributed to Foley's mother, Diane Foley. She implored the militants to spare the lives of other hostages. "Like Jim, they are innocents. They have no control over American government policy in Iraq, Syria or anywhere in the world."

Foley, 40, from Rochester, N.H., went missing in northern Syria in November 2012 while freelancing for Agence France-Presse and the Boston-based media company GlobalPost. The car he was riding in was stopped by four militants in a contested battle zone that both Sunni rebel fighters and government forces were trying to control. He had not been heard from since.

The group is the heir apparent of the militancy known as Al Qaeda in Iraq, which beheaded many of its victims, including American businessman Nicholas Berg in 2004.

The video released on websites Tuesday appears to show the increasing sophistication of the Islamic State group's media unit and begins with scenes of Obama explaining his decision to order airstrikes.

It then cuts to a balding man in an orange jumpsuit kneeling in the desert, next to a black-clad militant with a knife to his throat. Foley's name appears in both English and Arabic graphics on screen. After the captive speaks, the masked man is shown apparently beginning to cut at his neck; the video fades to black before the beheading is completed. The next shot appears to show the captive lying dead on the ground, his head on his body.

At the end of the video, a militant shows a second man, who was identified as American journalist Steven Sotloff, and warns that he could be the next captive killed. Sotloff was kidnapped near the Syrian-Turkish border in August 2013; he had freelanced for Time, the National Interest and MediaLine.

Fox News’ Justin Fishel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

i would not underestimate isis. these are not a few guys who just have learnt how to use weapons. they are incredibly well organized, most likely supported and sponsored from other undemocratic countries, and sorry. obama but a few airstrikes won't do it in the long term.

there was a 4 or 5 part video report about isis on vice.com and you can see them indoctrinating and brainwashing 7 year old children.

this was quite shocking and hints to a systematical structure and - sadly as opposed to obama -  a plan for the future.

ugly times will come, and only a massive troop presence in iraq without any deadline to leave is a way to keep things under control and maybe even fight back.

like it or not, but withdrawal was a mistake and just for obama to fullfill his populistic election promise.

found that image yesterday, perfectly subsumarizing it:

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:39

why don't u just shut up?


Hahaha thank you for exposing yourself as a hypocrite. Seriously though, you hate the terrorists and Obamas policies, I take it you're not a US citizen yet you want the US to send soldiers there.

So answer my question then: why don't you, and everyone else who hates these terrorists so much, go to Iraq, buy a cheap weapon and kill some terrorists? It's very easy, just a plain ticket and you're there. Same goes with DocM.

Going to answer this?

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:46

Hahaha thank you for exposing yourself as a hypocrite. Seriously though, you hate the terrorists and Obamas policies, I take it you're not a US citizen yet you want the US to send soldiers there.

So answer my question then: why don't you, and everyone else who hates these terrorists so much, go to Iraq, buy a cheap weapon and kill some terrorists? It's very easy, just a plain ticket and you're there. Same goes with DocM.

Going to answer this?

 

do i have to be a formula 1 driver to have an opinion on racing?

yep i want the us to send soldiers there and i would love to join them, i have contacted several forums but found nothing,  i even checked army.mil for anything, it might be understandable from a privacy point of view that the have no email addy there, but even to send away the contact formular you have to be us citizen which is just ridiculous.

few months back i had contact with a guy supposingly working for the us army in germany and he said it's now even difficult for us-citizens to join as they want cut back on troops in general.

 

why don't i go there and buy a weapon? well i think i made it clear in the posting above. isis are not some freaks with weapons they had 100s of hours training with weapons which i don't have and they are more, not even the 300 us troops could do anything against them. that's the fact and if there is a way i could join a possible 3rd iraqi war i would do that, but don't expect me to commit suicide just because you don't like my point of view.



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:53

do i have to be a formula 1 driver to have an opinion on racing?
yep i want the us to send soldiers there and i would love to join them, i have contacted several forums but found nothing, i even checked army.mil for anything, it might be understandable from a privacy point of view that the have no email addy there, but even to send away the contact formular you have to be us citizen which is just ridiculous.
few months back i had contact with a guy supposingly working for the us army in germany and he said it's now even difficult for us-citizens to join as they want cut back on troops in general.

why don't i go there and buy a weapon? well i think i made it clear in the posting above. isis are not some freaks with weapons they had 100s of hours training with weapons which i don't have and they are more, not even the 300 us troops could do anything against them. that's the fact and if there is a way i could join a possible 3rd iraqi war i would do that, but don't expect me to commit suicide just because you don't like my point of view.


So why don't you also train? It's very easy to find army training materials online. You can also find people like you online, there's a few on this forum as well. Together you guys can train and then go to Middle East and fight terrorists. I'm very serious about this. It's perfectly legal for you to do so, just like people can go down there and fight with the terrorists.

Rather than spending most of your online time criticizing presidents and being an armchair warrior, why don't you do something about the problems that bother you?

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:04

So why don't you also train? It's very easy to find army training materials online. You can also find people like you online, there's a few on this forum as well. Together you guys can train and then go to Middle East and fight terrorists. I'm very serious about this. It's perfectly legal for you to do so, just like people can go down there and fight with the terrorists.

Rather than spending most of your online time criticizing presidents and being an armchair warrior, why don't you do something about the problems that bother you?

 

it would be heavily depend on how few there are. again, i just think you mean everyone who is not supporting your beloved obama who does a politic of running away like a little chicken, should do this and i bet not many would be willing to do so.

but if we could make the numbers count i would be open for that idea. not if we talk about 2 or 3 people, i guess we would need high double or low tripple numbers. and, ofc, as we would fight for the us, we would at least expect to get their weapons. i have no money to buy my own and would not even know where and probably would get only 3rd class material. not fitting.

the other point you mention about training. these isis cun*s have a big advantage here. how long would it a group of us take to get on their level? until then even obama has left the golf-course and send his troops where they belong, into iraq.

 

so you see... i come back to the f1 driver thing. it's like you say, ok you can't be formula 1 driver, but you still can do your car races. "just" buy a race-track, some cars, tune them and race, it's perfectly legal, blablablabla

you just talk that way, because you know, it's very difficult to achieve (even iraqi army can't completely win over isis) and you love it to try to make us look like the stupid ones.

 

for the beginning: fill out your profile, use a pic of yourself as avatar, but probably you are not man ennough to do so. i would not care, but only if you stop accusing me of being an armchair warrior, because i am not.