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I am wondering if sophisticated British terrorists are coordinating ISIS. Because we saw the beheaded of the journalist and the guy who did it have British accent. What do you guys think about it? 

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Give Iraqis and Kurds weapons, supply them with intelligence and air superiority and eventually they will win. It will take a while but these things can never be solved over night. Or if all else fails, send in the Armchair Warriors!

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What % of the British population is Moslem?

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Around 5%, are you trying to blame it on us? I guess we are pretty sophisticated though! :p Because if so, you need to read the article, there are many European muslims and even Americans fighting in the conflict.

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the IS (not isis anymore) is indeed never seen before sophisticated militant organization.

first of: they are very good at finance themselves by harvesting money, oil, and any other resource out there.
their combat ability is top notch compare to anything we've seen before, they annihilated the 93 Syrian armor division with no sweat, and yesterday they took the last airbase of Assad.
not to mention the Iraqi army, that is fleeing for their lives, or Desert and join the IS.

they are ruthless,highly efficient, and will stop at nothing.

kurds+Syrian army+Iraqi army+hizbula are small games for them.

US air strikes will slow them, not gonna stop them, because they are very mobile, and using  "blitzkrieg" tactic.

the IS is very capable at recruiting and launching devastating strikes at their rivals.

i wouldn't be surprised if such blow will take place in USA soil.

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British Muslims blame jihadi subculture after beheading video

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/22/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0GH0JL20140822

 

Yes and? An approximate 800 Muslims out of 2 or so million Muslims who aren't violent or jihadist, that fit into our society and are productive members of the UK population. Seems like an epidemic to me! Probably a news story for the Daily Mail.

 

It's the same thing with speaking out against Britons joining the ideologies behind the English Defense League and British National Party, radical parties that are racist and xenophobic on the whole, who cause trouble, why wouldn't you speak out? What about the youth culture which spawns uncouth youths who do nothing but commit crimes and plague society eh? :p

 

They should continue to speak out and be less fundamental, they should continue to say this is wrong and you shouldn't be doing this as a Muslim, until that happens there won't be any real change.

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the IS (not isis anymore) is indeed never seen before sophisticated militant organization.

first of: they are very good at finance themselves by harvesting money, oil, and any other resource out there.

This isn't very new. Groups in Iraq have done this before.

 

their combat ability is top notch compare to anything we've seen before, they annihilated the 93 Syrian armor division with no sweat and yesterday they took the last airbase of Assad.

It has taken them 2 years to take the 93 brigade base. It is far from no sweat, it was the outcome of an extremely difficult attack, wherein they lost many fighters.

Also, they didn't take any last base of Assad. They have tried over the last 3 days to capture the Tabqa airbase and have failed 3 times. There was a moment when the airbase was low on ammunition, however supplies and more troops reached the base today. It is also not Assad's last airbase- he has a dozen, and the opposition have only captured less than a handful.

 

not to mention the Iraqi army, that is fleeing for their lives, or Desert and join the IS.

The Iraqi army suffered from a logistical failure in Mosul, however it wasn't desertions or defections. They have since heavily fortified and restructured and are holding off very well. The biggest problem initially was lack of an airforce, however with US strikes and their own Sukhoi SU-25 jets taking to the air they have solved this issue and are slowly pushing in.

 

they are ruthless,highly efficient, and will stop at nothing.

This is how they like to perceive themselves, however they are far from efficient. They are the opposite of efficient-- they treat their troops as disposable mobile IEDs.

 

kurds+Syrian army+Iraqi army+hizbula are small games for them.

All four groups have successfully held them back, especially the SAA and the YPG (Kurds in Syria).

 

US air strikes will slow them, not gonna stop them, because they are very mobile, and using  "blitzkrieg" tactic.

They have more or less been stopped at Tikrit in Iraq, which is why they started pushing East towards the North. However they will not succeed in Kirkuk, and they will never maintain their positions in Khanaqin and the rest of Diyala. They are also losing ground in Anbar.

As it stands, the only two spots that will see themselves as difficult to clear is Raqqa and Fallujah.

 

the IS is very capable at recruiting and launching devastating strikes at their rivals.

They are very capable at recruiting, but the devastating strikes is not true. They lack all expertise to use modern rocket systems (guided etc) and do not have access to an air force or higher grade missiles.

 

i wouldn't be surprised if such blow will take place in USA soil.

They may be able to commit a terrorist attack, but no way on Earth would they ever stand to the US army on US soil. The American spirit, the American people and the American military will scrape them off the face of the Earth. And I say this as someone who really dislikes everything to do with military or patriotism.

IS is just an organized terror group. They are not amazing, they are just surprising. They are what the Mafia is to a bunch of drug dealers. IS merely has quality command (commanders from Chechnya), experience (fought against the Americans and Shia in Iraq, fought against Assad and other groups in Syria), quality PR (high-end recruitment videos, large amounts of propaganda) and established goals (setting up specific caliphates, offering aid to people, setting up orphanages etc). However regardless of how well equipped or how well organized a group is, if they are not wanted, they will fail. This is the one thing that history has taught us time and time again, and IS is not any different.

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Yes and? An approximate 800 Muslims out of 2 or so million Muslims who aren't violent or jihadist, that fit into our society and are productive members of the UK population. Seems like an epidemic to me! Probably a news story for the Daily Mail.

 

 

800. What a trivial amount. No need for concern. I mean, not all priests rape kids, so we shouldn't be concerned about the ones who do.  :rolleyes:

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IS is just an organized terror group. They are not amazing, they are just surprising. They are what the Mafia is to a bunch of drug dealers. IS merely has quality command (commanders from Chechnya), experience (fought against the Americans and Shia in Iraq, fought against Assad and other groups in Syria), quality PR (high-end recruitment videos, large amounts of propaganda) and established goals (setting up specific caliphates, offering aid to people, setting up orphanages etc). However regardless of how well equipped or how well organized a group is, if they are not wanted, they will fail. This is the one thing that history has taught us time and time again, and IS is not any different.

 

ISIS/Brotherhood of Nod just needs to get closer to Israel so the Israelis can wipe them out.

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ISIS/Brotherhood of Nod just needs to get closer to Israel so the Israelis can wipe them out.

 

They are selling oil to Israel ...

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They are selling oil to Israel ...

 

Not for long!

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Not for long!

 

What makes you say that? As far as I am concerned this will not change. Kurds and ISIS will sell oil regardless.

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Judging by the Sunday news shows, ISIS is about to get a lesson in strategic bombing all the way back to their logistics and training centers in Syria. Were not talking drones or fighter-bombers here, this sounds like the big boys.

Also sounds like the US is also putting together a regional coalition, and both political parties in Congress are on board.

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Give Iraqis and Kurds weapons, supply them with intelligence and air superiority and eventually they will win. It will take a while but these things can never be solved over night. Or if all else fails, send in the Armchair Warriors!

Never a good idea to give anyone weapons. They usually always end up being used against us within a few years.

Imagine if we did what the republicans wanted and had given these guys weapons when they were fighting in Syria.

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FSA != ISIS

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Judging by the Sunday news shows, ISIS is about to get a lesson in strategic bombing all the way back to their logistics and training centers in Syria. Were not talking drones or fighter-bombers here, this sounds like the big boys.

Also sounds like the US is also putting together a regional coalition, and both political parties in Congress are on board.

 

What will happen to all these training camps for Syrian Rebels and ISIS that have US involvement? (Jordan, Turkey, Qatar etc)

 

West Training Syrian Rebels In Jordan

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/us-training-syria-rebels_n_3876314.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/10/us-syria-crisis-rebels-usa-idUSBRE9290FI20130310

 

http://www.vice.com/read/syria-deraa-USA-Jordan-FSA-regime-CIA

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/22/saudi-arabia-syria-rebel-army

 

http://dohanews.co/report-us-training-syrian-rebels-qatar/

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-cia-operatives-training-syrian-rebels-secret-bases-jordan-turkey-latimes-1318563

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Never a good idea to give anyone weapons. They usually always end up being used against us within a few years.

Imagine if we did what the republicans wanted and had given these guys weapons when they were fighting in Syria.

 

The thing is, if you arm and train local governments to fight for themselves, then there is no need for US/NATO presence there.  Therefore there isn't any troops for the weapons to be used "against".  

 

None of this will be solved by destroying ISIS, none.  After them, a new group will rise up, it's been happening there for long time.  The tribal mentality will persist for generations and until they all get their own states they won't be satisfied.  Even then, they will want a slice of the oil pie since no one will want to get stuck with pieces of desert with no oil.

 

The process to bring middle east to peace would probably take dozens, if not hundreds of years.  And US sure doesn't have the money for this.

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800. What a trivial amount. No need for concern. I mean, not all priests rape kids, so we shouldn't be concerned about the ones who do.  :rolleyes:

 

So what? Are you saying we should label all priests as paedophiles because they might be one? If so, what ever happened to innocent before being proven guilty? Nobody is saying we shouldn't be talking about the issue, you just need to put it into proper context.

 

Yes Muslim leaders should speak out against it, and yes it really should be discussed but in proper context, 800 people out of 2 million people, 0.04%! That's nothing, it's not as big a problem as our media would paint it as, meanwhile plenty of innocent Muslims trying to integrate into society are being pushed aside because people want to label them as if they are something they're not. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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scary :|

 

That is the point. Be very scared! Your neighbor could be a potential domestic terrorist now!  He might not have been one last week .. but he could be one today.

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So what? Are you saying we should label all priests as paedophiles because they might be one? If so, what ever happened to innocent before being proven guilty? Nobody is saying we shouldn't be talking about the issue, you just need to put it into proper context.

 

 

No. My point was you don't dismiss a problem as small or trivial considering it has the potential to cause a lot of harm. The percentage of pedophile priests being small is of little comfort to the victims to the decades of abuse. It has nothing to do with the decades of cover-ups.

 

 

Yes Muslim leaders should speak out against it, and yes it really should be discussed but in proper context, 800 people out of 2 million people, 0.04%! That's nothing, it's not as big a problem as our media would paint it as

 

I'll just use your figures because I can't be bothered checking. The fact 800 people could very well be fighting with violent lunatics, specifically with very anti-Western ideology, who could return to Western countries & cause havoc should be a concern to everyone. You can't & shouldn't minimise the very serious risk these nuts pose. As I said in another post earlier this week: these idiots are a danger to everyone.

 

Let's be clear, if these were communists who returned to their communist homelands to fight with radical communists who indoctrinated them with similar violent, anti-Western ideology, I'd be just as concerned.

 

 

meanwhile plenty of innocent Muslims trying to integrate into society are being pushed aside because people want to label them as if they are something they're not. 

 

I take it this is the part where you blame the system for disaffected Muslim youth who join radical groups and carry out attacks against fellow citizens? There are a lot of ###### of people in society who hate "The Man", they don't all leave explosives in train tunnels or blow buses to pieces.

 

 

You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

 

What would you suggest I do? Stop being critical of an ideology which is turning people into violent fanatics who despise all the things I value?

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