papercut2008uk Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 so basically this is 'woman sleeps around to get what she wants'. all this is focused on her and the people involved. this has been going on for years, never trusted any gaming articles or reviews for games that come out, if it looks good, buy it. you can't trust anything people write about anything! that's not just for the gaming industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacer Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Gaming journalism doesn't exist and never has. Journalists have a duty and responsibility to report the truth in order to inform and protect the public. This has never been the case for any gaming magazine or website. Every "professional" game reporting outlet, be it magazines or websites, have always drawn a large majority of their revenues from advertisements from the very entities they are supposed to be objectively reporting. This is a huge conflict of interest, which renders any journalistic integrity of these outlets meaningless. The closest we have come to true gaming journalists are the independent personalities that have popped up on youtube and other outlets. But even they aren't enough. The gaming industry needs true journalists that ask the hard questions, pursue, report, and follow-up on any and all developments that directly affect us, the consumers. Things like bullsh-- exclusivity deals, (Microsoft buying TROTTR), performance issues, post-launch support or lack there of, DLC content cutting, price gouging (digital prices are BS as they stand now), and other dangerous activities that threaten the consumers. (I'm looking at you EA Access) Will we ever get it? No. As soon as someone starts asking the right questions is the same time they stop getting interviews, and access to media events. LaP 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 ^ Pretty much sums it up. I'd go even further and say that for things like hobbies or interests, there is no such thing as real journalism. There is no journalistic standards being enforced. You have reviewers & commenters who exist on ad revenue usually coming from the publishers of the things being reviewed and commented on. Conflict of interest, much? The best you can use these sites for is basically in-depth advertisements. You can find out about the things you are interested in, when they will be released, etc. while staying as far away as possible from the childish antics that are being discussed in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjpvCVdFVdE apparently it's now closer to 90 people. not just five guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted September 1, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted September 1, 2014 The blog post by Zoe Quinn's ex-bf, linked in the OP, reeks of butthurt. Yes we know seta-san, it's always the evil women wanting to profit from males who are at fault. /s Move along folks, nothing to see here besides a bunch of misogynist men's rights activists and self-proclaimed gamers throwing a fit. Veiva and Ph1b3r0pt1c 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 The blog post by Zoe Quinn's ex-bf, linked in the OP, reeks of butthurt. Yes we know seta-san, it's always the evil women wanting to profit from males who are at fault. /s Move along folks, nothing to see here besides a bunch of misogynist men's rights activists and self-proclaimed gamers throwing a fit. again, with the code black? don't you SJWs, white knights, and manginas have anything to say of substance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted September 1, 2014 Veteran Share Posted September 1, 2014 So basically a bunch of silly nonsense. It's about a woman in the video game industry, did you expect anything other than nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It's about a woman in the video game industry, did you expect anything other than nonsense? Or it could be about conflicts of interest and lack of disclosure, but what do I know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted September 1, 2014 Veteran Share Posted September 1, 2014 Or it could be about conflicts of interest and lack of disclosure, but what do I know.. If the allegations are true, then it involves one developer and a handful of other people, but the way it's being spun by people it's as if the entire industry is on the verge of collapse due to rampant corruption (Surprisingly, this thread topic isn't the most hyperbolic title I've seen in relation to this) I mean, at best 1 review is tainted. And considering how actual paid for reviews are handled (e.g. Geoff Keighley & Halo 4/Doritos), it's almost as if nobody seemed to really care until it involved women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeratlarge Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Journalistic integrity has not been a thing for decades in ANY form of press, it's all be bought packaged and sold to people with a very specific angle to cater to a demographic, to include the so called "gaming press" Well said that man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 If the allegations are true, then it involves one developer and a handful of other people, but the way it's being spun by people it's as if the entire industry is on the verge of collapse due to rampant corruption (Surprisingly, this thread topic isn't the most hyperbolic title I've seen in relation to this) I mean, at best 1 review is tainted. And considering how actual paid for reviews are handled (e.g. Geoff Keighley & Halo 4/Doritos), it's almost as if nobody seemed to really care until it involved women. The corruption part comes from the initial attempt so shut the information down by sending takedowns for stupid reasons: a publicly available photo of Depression Quest is used to take down a video, making complaints to web hosts about sites that host articles on the matter; people, Zoe Quinn was allegedly in a relationship with, offering coverage for her game or being a judge on a panel where her game wins. There's also the fact that, when Zoe Quinn said she was allegedly attacked and harassed on the phone by the "evil gamers" of Wizardchan, all the gaming sites reported on this no more actual proof than her tweets and two anonymous posts on that site that called her names (confirmed by people like the editor-in-chief of The Escapist) giving her publicity and finally pushing her allegedly poor game through Greenlight. Then there's the whole conflict of interest of contributors/"game journalists" on these websites giving money to her and other devs' Patreons. There's also the game jams like the The Fine Young Capitalists which were shut down initially due to her "alleged" meddling and now that they're trying again to get funds, nobody on the big site wants to give them coverage. It goes on and on and on. Let's step away from Zoe Quinn for a moment and talk about Patricia Hernandez, a more cut and dry case. She's a Kotaku columnist that gave positive reviews and urged people to buy games of a dev she had a relationship with and one that was a room-mate without any disclosure of said relationships until now when the crap has hit the fan. All Kotaku has done about it, was update those articles now, as if anyone is going to read them now unless they go digging for ###### on this whole scandal. But let's keep this about the sex, because that is the low hanging fruit that defenders and the uninformed can attack and feel good about themselves while doing it. And Geoff Keighley has gotten flak. He's not know as the Dorito Pope for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 funny that I've never heard of that person Zoe Quinn until this thread; then again i don't give a flack about game reviews and all that crap because, like many pseudo reviews, they are very partial, biased and having a conflict of interests, at best. spenser.d 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 likely crime, racketeering, discovered from #gamergate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC59EDr1-oM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ruby Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite Luc2k 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ruby Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 #writeakotakuarticle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Nothing more disgusting than the idea of fat people having sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted October 18, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted October 18, 2014 http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/17/6996601/on-gamergate-a-letter-from-the-editor The editorial sums up quite nicely why 'gamergate' is a bunch of ######. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 \http://www.shacknews.com/article/86669/opinion-gamergate-legitimacy-is-an-illusion A jilted lover found a way to get back at his ex-girlfriend, and he recruited gamers to help. He and a small group of misognynists cynically played upon an actual debate that's been boiling under the surface of video game culture for years: journalistic ethics. But for them, this was never about ethics. It was about tricking people into extending the life of their hate campaign by giving it a legitimate front. Rejecting the "GamerGate" banner does not mean abandoning concerns about journalism. It means freeing those concerns from a taint that makes them easy to dismiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/17/6996601/on-gamergate-a-letter-from-the-editor The editorial sums up quite nicely why 'gamergate' is a bunch of ######. Uh huh.. Just watch the first 3 or so minutes. I like the part where if you don't agree with the anti gamer gate crowd you're automatically misogynistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted October 18, 2014 Veteran Share Posted October 18, 2014 Are people still claiming that all the death threats were fake? I thought that would have stopped after the first couple of confirmations by the police that they happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I don't know if people are claiming they're all fake. But what seems apparent is that for no particular reason all these news sites are reporting on a non-issue as shown in the video I posted. The police said there was no real threat. Confirmed by all sorts of different agencies, even the FBI. The fact that the speaker (Anita Sarkeesian) still canceled the event was just a way to get a few more minutes tacked onto her 15 minutes of fame and create more drama. The video goes on to dissect the logic being used which is that since one person is did something bad that all people (who support gamergate) are bad. Not only is it not fair but it doesn't make any sense to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted October 18, 2014 Veteran Share Posted October 18, 2014 She didn't cancel it for that reason, she cancelled it because they didn't increase security (Something the Police said was possible, the Uni just didn't do it) And yes, not everybody who supports "gamergate" is bad, a lot of supporters probably think it's actually a good movement, but the core of the movement (And the original stated goals) are sexist and all around bad (Remember what started it, claims that Zoe Quinn slept for journalists for good reviews of her game, something that didn't happen) theyarecomingforyou 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted October 18, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted October 18, 2014 Right, because Sarkeesian needs the attention created by fake threats. It's the gamergate supporters who are the true victims here, yadda yadda yadda. Give me a break. The original point of gamergate - not that it was ever valid in the first place - has long been debunked. What it is about now is a bunch of predominantly male 'hardcore gamers' feeling butthurt and circle jerking on 8chan, from where the garbage spills onto the rest of the internet. What you fail to see is how the gaming landscape is changing. Why would game publishers keep pandering to pimply-faced youth in their early 20s anymore? spenser.d, theyarecomingforyou and +virtorio 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 She didn't cancel it for that reason, she cancelled it because they didn't increase security (Something the Police said was possible, the Uni just didn't do it)And yes, not everybody who supports "gamergate" is bad, a lot of supporters probably think it's actually a good movement, but the core of the movement (And the original stated goals) are sexist and all around bad (Remember what started it, claims that Zoe Quinn slept for journalists for good reviews of her game, something that didn't happen) The article shown in the video mentions that they were taking precautions. The police and the school, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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