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Haunting images of Palestinian men condemned to death by Hamas have emerged online after it was reported that up to 18 were summarily executed for allegedly

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Treason is punishable in any country.

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Treason is punishable in any country.

Do you really think they had a fair trial or a trial at all?

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Do you really think they had a fair trial or a trial at all?

 

We don't know whether they had a free trial.  Palestine doesn't have a Guantanamo Bay where they can lock people up and deny them proper representation.

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Allahu akhbar. And treason is just another way of rationalising violence against people that choose not to apply blind loyalty to real estate. Idiotic.

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And treason is just another way of rationalising violence against people that choose not to apply blind loyalty to real estate. Idiotic.

Many countries, if not all, including the United States, punish treason.

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We don't know whether they had a free trial.  Palestine doesn't have a Guantanamo Bay where they can lock people up and deny them proper representation.

Are you really comparing open street public executions with indefinite imprisonment?

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Many countries, if not all, including the United States, punish treason.

That's not an excuse for what they're doing.

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Many countries, if not all, including the United States, punish treason.

 

Don't care. As someone who considers nationalism and patriotism stupid, punishing people for treason is basically punishing them for refusing to be loyal servants to your piece of real estate. To me it's just a way of rationalising cruelty and trying to keep people under the thumb.

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That's not an excuse for what they're doing.

No, it's not an excuse, but this is not exclusive to Hamas.

 

Don't care. As someone who considers nationalism and patriotism stupid, punishing people for treason is basically punishing them for refusing to be loyal servants to your piece of real estate. To me it's just a way of rationalising cruelty and trying to keep people under the thumb.

Yeah, I am against treason punishment, too. However, this is not related to loyalty or people, it is to prevent leaks or spies to share information with their enemies. It's wrong, sure, but they have to do it to increase the security of their group. This could have been done better, but there hasn't been real reform for treason in western countries either.

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Many countries, if not all, including the United States, punish treason.

 

 

When was the last time America or any other sane Western Country charged, let alone execute anyone for treason?

And there are quite a few Americans that could be tried for treason, many of the people ignorant tools on the internet champion and the good guys have committed acts that full under treason, also quite a few politicians on both sides would qualify using the strictest definition of trason

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Are you really comparing open street public executions with indefinite imprisonment?

Technically a lot of countries still have the death penalty for high treason.

Sure its not the same thing because its unlikely these guys had anything close to a fair trial but countries still execute people for betraying their country.

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When was the last time America or any other sane Western Country charged, let alone execute anyone for treason?

And there are quite a few Americans that could be tried for treason, many of the people ignorant tools on the internet champion and the good guys have committed acts that full under treason, also quite a few politicians on both sides would qualify using the strictest definition of trason

In Israel:

Meir Tobianski

Mordechai Vanunu

 

In the United States:

Sentenced:

Dongfan "Greg" Chung

Patrick Worthing

Daniel Worthing

David Brian Kern

Xiaodong Sheldon Meng

Thomas Andrews Drake

Bradley Manning

Wen Ho Lee

Kenneth Wayne Ford Jr.

Jeffrey Alexander Sterling

Stephen Jin-Woo Kim

John Kiriakou

John Walker Lindh

Executed or Sentenced to life:

Robert Henry Best

Herbert Hans Haupt

Charged, but not punished (pardoned, escaped, found not guilty):

Daniel Ellsbergs

Anthony Russo

Edward Snowden

Julian Assange

 

This is an imcomplete list.

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Don't care. As someone who considers nationalism and patriotism stupid, punishing people for treason is basically punishing them for refusing to be loyal servants to your piece of real estate. To me it's just a way of rationalising cruelty and trying to keep people under the thumb.

Treason is irrelevant in western society as very rarely are lives put in danger as a result. In Palestine those giving information to Israel are responsible for getting people tortured and killed, especially in the current climate where the IDF is killing hundreds of civilians a day in airstrikes and ground assaults in part based on that intelligence. Is such a punishment brutal? Yes, but it pales in comparison to the suffering inflicted by Israel.

 

Such executions should obviously be condemned but they are entirely understandable.

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re you really comparing open street public executions with indefinite imprisonment?

 

I know I shouldn't have. One is quick death and the other one is constant torture.

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Treason is irrelevant in western society as very rarely are lives put in danger as a result. In Palestine those giving information to Israel are responsible for getting people tortured and killed, especially in the current climate where the IDF is killing hundreds of civilians a day in airstrikes and ground assaults in part based on that intelligence. Is such a punishment brutal? Yes, but it pales in comparison to the suffering inflicted by Israel.

 

Such executions should obviously be condemned but they are entirely understandable.

 

Right, because Israel obviously target the civilians deliberately... DERP. That argument is complete rubbish, the Israeli forces don't just start exterminating people every time they receive intelligence.

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Right, because Israel obviously target the civilians deliberately... DERP. That argument is complete rubbish, the Israeli forces don't just start exterminating people every time they receive intelligence.

 

Exactly, it's not like they bomb UN schools where no fighters were reported...

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Are you really comparing open street public executions with indefinite imprisonment?

One of those options is way cheaper that the other.

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Right, because Israel obviously target the civilians deliberately...

Yeah, it's not like every reputable source has not found evidence of Hamas using human shields...

 

 

the Israeli forces don't just start exterminating people every time they receive intelligence.

You're right. The Israeli forces exterminate people when they don't have intelligence.

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Treason is irrelevant in western society as very rarely are lives put in danger as a result. In Palestine those giving information to Israel are responsible for getting people tortured and killed, especially in the current climate where the IDF is killing hundreds of civilians a day in airstrikes and ground assaults in part based on that intelligence. Is such a punishment brutal? Yes, but it pales in comparison to the suffering inflicted by Israel.

 

Such executions should obviously be condemned but they are entirely understandable.

Shocking. You found a way to rationalize it.

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I know I shouldn't have. One is quick death and the other one is constant torture.

I'm sure none of those held hostage are tortured at all, for years, before they are killed.

 

Obviously indefinite torture isn't going to last forever, in the us, and is on it's way to slowly be phased out, eventually.

 

One of those options is way cheaper that the other.

I'm sure for the same price they got a fair trial to prove their innocence.

 

 

Treason is irrelevant in western society as very rarely are lives put in danger as a result. In Palestine those giving information to Israel are responsible for getting people tortured and killed, especially in the current climate where the IDF is killing hundreds of civilians a day in airstrikes and ground assaults in part based on that intelligence. Is such a punishment brutal? Yes, but it pales in comparison to the suffering inflicted by Israel.

 

Such executions should obviously be condemned but they are entirely understandable.

 

Shocking. You found a way to rationalize it.

Both sides are wrong, both sides need to get over it, and one side needs to quit breaking truces/ceasefires.

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I'm sure none of those held hostage are tortured at all, for years, before they are killed.

 

Obviously indefinite torture isn't going to last forever, in the us, and is on it's way to slowly be phased out, eventually.

 

 

Two two sentences define contradiction.

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it's pity to see Hamas doing such desperate crimes, against it's own people.(human shields aside, yes)

and there is a fact, you all missing.

the pro murderers morons here a side, have you ever asked yourself why Hamas is executing so many people lately?

easy:
it's pure sign loss of control, and being someone who understand it better than most people, i can tell you this:
some of them("the traitors") were plain criminal Hamas got rid of, + good show to demonstrate you're "in control", cause let's face it:
getting 4 top Hamas(Mohammed deif+other 3) crucial key members(not deif) dead in 24 hours, will put the fear in everyone heart.

also, why do you think so many are willing to snitch hamas so lightly?
Hamas is getting payback for what he did to gaza, so many would wish them(hamas) gone, gazan's want peace and quiet+ make a living.(they tried to protest, but they were murdered by hamas.)
not mentioning the gazan's saw Hamas true nature: corrupt and destructive.(Fatah were curropted but not nearly as destructive)

nothing new in gaza, same old.
 

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it's pity to see Hamas doing such desperate crimes, against it's own people.(human shields aside, yes)

and there is a fact, you all missing.

the pro murderers morons here a side, have you ever asked yourself why Hamas is executing so many people lately?

easy:

it's pure sign loss of control, and being someone who understand it better than most people, i can tell you this:

some of them("the traitors") were plain criminal Hamas got rid of, + good show to demonstrate you're "in control", cause let's face it:

getting 4 top Hamas(Mohammed deif+other 3) crucial key members(not deif) dead in 24 hours, will put the fear in everyone heart.

also, why do you think so many are willing to snitch hamas so lightly?

Hamas is getting payback for what he did to gaza, so many would wish them(hamas) gone, gazan's want peace and quiet+ make a living.(they tried to protest, but they were murdered by hamas.)

not mentioning the gazan's saw Hamas true nature: corrupt and destructive.(Fatah were curropted but not nearly as destructive)

nothing new in gaza, same old.

 

There is no evidence that Hamas uses human shields. In fact, all evidence points towards that it does not.

 

Uh, and no. Hamas did this to prevent these people from leaking more information in the future. The people who leaked the info were probably given incentives from Israel.

And, if anything, Palestinians are becoming more supportive of Hamas.

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