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Posted 25 August 2014 - 16:28

Video - http://www.escapistm...ts-Not-That-Bad




#2 Luc2k

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 19:03

This felt like filler, although I can understand not wanting to lose his job because of SJW.



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 20:48

Was hoping he'd cover the Zoe Quinn story but guess we'll have to wait.

 

It annoys me that indies are always treated as fillers on consoles when really they can probably offer more value than a lot of the "AAA" games. But that's just my bias taste talking more than anything. It wouldn't work to sell indies on the same scale as retail like we know it.

 

But thankfully if we do have another crash, I won't be short of awesome stuff to play while we reboot the industry :p



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 22:29

Was hoping he'd cover the Zoe Quinn story but guess we'll have to wait.

 

It annoys me that indies are always treated as fillers on consoles when really they can probably offer more value than a lot of the "AAA" games. But that's just my bias taste talking more than anything. It wouldn't work to sell indies on the same scale as retail like we know it.

 

But thankfully if we do have another crash, I won't be short of awesome stuff to play while we reboot the industry :p

 

Indies are the new AA industry.

 

The games that were rife in the PS1/PS2/XB days where big developers didn't bloat their budgets and were happy to release a title that could sell 500k-1m.

 

As time has gone on everyone wants everything to be AAA. Unrealistic and yeah, will lead to a crash.



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 22:34

######.  If LEGO Movie has taught me anything, it's that everything is awesome



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 22:49

Was hoping he'd cover the Zoe Quinn story but guess we'll have to wait.
 
It annoys me that indies are always treated as fillers on consoles when really they can probably offer more value than a lot of the "AAA" games. But that's just my bias taste talking more than anything. It wouldn't work to sell indies on the same scale as retail like we know it.
 
But thankfully if we do have another crash, I won't be short of awesome stuff to play while we reboot the industry :p



Ironically, the expansion of indie game coverage is due, in part, to the success of AAA titles. Also, as indie games get more popular, they will cease to be indie and become dreaded AAA :laugh: MS and Sony see indie titles as AAA content, why else would they devote so much pr time at almost every public event to that segment? Indie games now sit in the same store as AAA titles, no more segregation. Indie is the hot thing in the industry, so hot that even big developers are creating such games.

I do enjoy many indie games, but I also think its not properly defined and sometimes is given special treatment.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 22:50

Indies are the new AA industry.

 

The games that were rife in the PS1/PS2/XB days where big developers didn't bloat their budgets and were happy to release a title that could sell 500k-1m.

 

As time has gone on everyone wants everything to be AAA. Unrealistic and yeah, will lead to a crash.

 

AA still sort of exists, but it's been merged with the AAA category. The last few years we have seen a return of them from (mostly) Japanese devs. Games like Binary Domain, Killer Is Dead, Lollopop Chainsaw, NeverDead, Anarchy Reigns etc.

 

The trouble is IMO because the "industry" has decided to group them as part of the AAA bracket but they can't never realistically compete with them. They still sometimes produce a hit or sleeper hit (Spec Ops is probably the best example in recent years).

 

As far as tradtional PS2/Xbox AA days, those are long gone sadly. I miss the quirky "B rate" games that didn't always take things seriously or try to be the next CoD. As you say though, indies are the new AA and hopefully some of them stick around long enough to see them revitalise the bracket closer to what we knew.

 

 

Ironically, the expansion of indie game coverage is due, in part, to the success of AAA titles. Also, as indie games get more popular, they will cease to be indie and become dreaded AAA :laugh: MS and Sony see indie titles as AAA content, why else would they devote so much pr time at almost every public event to that segment? Indie games now sit in the same store as AAA titles, no more segregation. Indie is the hot thing in the industry, so hot that even big developers are creating such games.

I do enjoy many indie games, but I also think its not properly defined and sometimes is given special treatment.

 

That's true, but you kind of have to hope that they always remember their roots because many of the modern indie stuidos wanted to be indie to get away from "overlord" publishers. I don't have a problem with them growing and enjoying their success.

 

And again true on MS/Sony treating them like AAA. Even when EA tried to pull that nonsense years ago with their indie label and the games weren't anything of the sort. Like you say, the definition can be really blurry and applied loosely to suit them when they want.

 

True indies will always be a thing, maybe not the studios we know today, but there's always going to be hobbyists that want to create and tinker.



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 23:05

That's true, but you kind of have to hope that they always remember their roots because many of the modern indie stuidos wanted to be indie to get away from "overlord" publishers. I don't have a problem with them growing and enjoying their success.
 
And again true on MS/Sony treating them like AAA. Even when EA tried to pull that nonsense years ago with their indie label and the games weren't anything of the sort. Like you say, the definition can be really blurry and applied loosely to suit them when they want.
 
True indies will always be a thing, maybe not the studios we know today, but there's always going to be hobbyists that want to create and tinker.


I do wonder if a new kind of AAA can come from the indie roots.

If traditional AAA is on the way out, surely something will replace it. There is clearly demand for big budget gaming. As much as you and I may love many indie titles, I kind of doubt that most gamers fall into the same boat.

Hotline Miami might be a fun game, but it won't sell hardware. I think the reason that these lower budget, smaller scale indie games are sometimes treated as filler is because they do not have the same depth and level of polish that most gamers now demand and expect. The constant console wars have lead to gamers demanding bigger and bigger games with each new console release. Even pc gamers demand it, although not to the same extent.

As to the definition of indie, is it only that the game is not being published by one of the 'big' publishers? Is it based on the size/scale of the game? Is it based on budget? Polish? Is Star Citizen still an indie game?

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:59

I would of continued to watch his stuff if he didn't have the SJW gun to his head.

 

He's really better off doing his own channel where he can speak his mind.



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 03:14

I would of continued to watch his stuff if he didn't have the SJW gun to his head.

 

He's really better off doing his own channel where he can speak his mind.

Im missing somthing here what is SJW? I am not up to speed whats going on



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 03:48

I would of continued to watch his stuff if he didn't have the SJW gun to his head.

 

He's really better off doing his own channel where he can speak his mind.

 

It's not SJWs in this case, it's the owner of The Escapist.

 

Most SJWs are putting as much distance between themselves and Quinn as possible, because she's been shown to be quite a toxic individual herself.



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 09:30

It's not SJWs in this case, it's the owner of The Escapist.

 

Most SJWs are putting as much distance between themselves and Quinn as possible, because she's been shown to be quite a toxic individual herself.

It's more like both.

 

I haven't kept track the in the last two days, but they were all over TotalBiscuit when he criticised Quinn for false DMCA claims or the TFYC when accepted funding from 4chan.

 

Im missing somthing here what is SJW? I am not up to speed whats going on

Social Justice Warriors are nasty pieces of work. Listen to some of this if you're curious of what they're up to:

 



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 14:06

thanks totally makes it clear



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 14:47

Im missing somthing here what is SJW? I am not up to speed whats going on

 
Indie femenist ####storm the last week.

 


Edited by Andrew, 26 August 2014 - 20:32.


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Posted 26 August 2014 - 18:27

It's more like both.

 

I haven't kept track the in the last two days, but they were all over TotalBiscuit when he criticised Quinn for false DMCA claims or the TFYC when accepted funding from 4chan.

 

Then you should keep track before responding then, because the way things have been stewing the SJWs are indeed distancing themselves from Quinn. She still has her indie clique and industry apologists but the regular SJWs are somewhat less than impressed at her record of abuse.