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#1 +Frank B.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:48

Judge Effectively Decriminalizes Polygamy in Utah

 

A federal judge in Utah has ruled in favor of polygamy.

 

U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups struck down parts of a law banning polygamy because he says it violates freedom of religion.

 

The case revolves around a lawsuit filed by a polygamist family that appears on the TLC reality show, "Sister Wives."

 

Kody Brown and his four wives sued Utah three years ago after a county prosecutor threatened to charge them under the state's bigamy law.

 

The Utah attorney general said he will appeal the federal judge's decision.

 

Source: CBN News




#2 Nick H.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:52

Something something sanctity of marriage. :rolleyes:

Fair play, I guess. It doesn't affect me, let them do what they want.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:40

I both agree and disagree with this.

 

For one, I don't think it's anyone's business who or how many people you marry anyway, BUT, as there is a law in place making polygamy illegal, your religion should not be allowed to trump that law.  No religion should be given an exception to any law.  If you do, the law is no longer equal to all.

 

If a law limits your freedom to do something, then you get lobby to get the law changed. You don't just ignore it because you feel like it.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:58

Now I can marry my cousins.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:32

Does anyone know what the general oppositions to polygamy are? I've never really read about it. Are we just opposed to polygamy because of culture or are there proven social, financial, or scientific reasons to oppose it?



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:12

Are we just opposed to polygamy because of culture or are there proven social, financial, or scientific reasons to oppose it?

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2205968/
http://www.scienceda...20124093142.htm
http://www.academicj..._Adesehinwa.pdf

tl;dr poligamy is a ######ing mess

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:35

^ Interesting, thanks for the links.

 

A little OT, but holy crap:

 

Sub-Saharan Africa is home to 62% of the worlds’ Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) cases, more than 14 000 people are daily infected with the HIV, and 11 000 people are dying daily due to HIV/AIDS related illnesses

 

 

 

I knew it was bad there, but I never knew it was those types of figures.


Utah, so I am thinking this is Mormonism and polygamy. I thought the Mormons abandoned Polygamy  along time ago. So which religion's religious freedom is this trying to protect? Some offshoot of Mormonism?



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:12

Mormons did abandon polygamy. These groups operate outside of the mainstream LDS church. The total number would be about 40k individuals, about enough to fill the Comiskey Park baseball stadium in Chicago.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 13:28

The only reason polygamy was outlawed is, Utah wanted statehood.

 

The LDS founders were secretly polygamists.

 

And I think people should be able to marry whoever they want.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 13:56

Mormons did abandon polygamy. These groups operate outside of the mainstream LDS church. The total number would be about 40k individuals, about enough to fill the Comiskey Park baseball stadium in Chicago.

how do you know everything DocM? Do you just read a ton of articles? :D



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:14

how do you know everything DocM? Do you just read a ton of articles? :D

 

He Googles ;-)



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:14

All those articles seem like BS to me. Polygamy isn't my thing but really, if it is somebody's who is the state to tell them they can't do it? Not really hurting anybody.

 

Also, if any christian or jewish has any religious problem with polygamy they should give the bible a read ;)



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:17

If they can figure out tax codes, inheritance, medical proxy, and the other legal aspects of marriage, good for them.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:23

God came from another planet
God is a man with a body of flesh and bones
There is a mother goddess
God and his goddess wife are married
You can become gods

 

Mormonism sounds cool to me, I can become a god, another inhabited planet exists, and I can have many wifes. Am I missing something?



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:37

If they can figure out tax codes, inheritance, medical proxy, and the other legal aspects of marriage, good for them.

The problem with marriage is that it offers benefits that should be available to anyone in a relationship. Married couples shouldn't receive tax breaks or benefit from inheritance rules not available to non-married couples / partnerships. Further, too often people stay in bad marriages because divorce is too complicated and costly - there is no value in a relationship if it is held together by the reluctance to get a divorce.

 

It's time to get the government out of people's relationships. If consenting adults wish to enter a polygamous relationship then they should be free to do so. That said, it's sad that the judgement was based on religious freedom rather than common sense and fairness - if atheists had campaigned for the same thing they would have been denied it. Religion has far too much influence in society.