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#1 cbrookhart

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:44

I was going to be getting a Seagate Barracuda ST1000 harddrive. I happened to see at best buy, a Seagate Barracuda ST3100. I'm guessing they only difference is the 3100 is a newer model. Both were the same storage capacity - 1TB.


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Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:48

I just want to point out that Seagate's have a terrible reputation for failure. In fact, I think about half of all my Seagate drives have died. Where as I don't remember the last time one of my WD's died. I no longer purchase Seagates.

 

Further research seems to indicate similar findings. Apparently they have the highest failure rate by a large margin http://lifehacker.co...ands-1505797966



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:04

Seagate, set sail for fail my friend.

 

5x 500GB

2x 250

4x 640GB

 

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:08

I have owned several Seagate drives in the past and all have failed in some way. Western Digital is my go to company for hard drives now, Samsung for SSDs.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 00:47

You people do understand that ALL HDD fail - ALL of them.. sooner or later all drives will fail.  That you had bad luck with brand x vs brand y is meaningless in the big picture.  For every guy you find that says Y fail X is the way to go you will find another guy saying the complete opposite.

 

Also you need to take your internet info with a grain a salt,  for every article you can find that says X drive is better I can find 2 that says Y is better - just like the article you linked too and all the other articles that say in a nutshell there is falls in their math and the way they test, etc.  Your desktop disk is sure and the hell not being used like their cluster of drives, etc..

 

http://www.theregist...sk_reliability/

 

What I would suggest is buy the disk that has the features you want the warranty you want at the price your willing to pay.  it might fail next week, or it might run for quite some time with no issues.

 

I have a few old seagate drives that have lasted well over 5 years..  Here is one i still running

 

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What was the price of the 2 models you were looking at - what are you going to be using the drive for?

 



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 00:48

Ditto, don't go Seagate. I had ~5 HDDS that failed on me... WD for the win!



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:04

You people do understand that ALL HDD fail - ALL of them.. sooner or later all drives will fail.  That you had bad luck with brand x vs brand y is meaningless in the big picture.  For every guy you find that says Y fail X is the way to go you will find another guy saying the complete opposite.

 

Also you need to take your internet info with a grain a salt,  for every article you can find that says X drive is better I can find 2 that says Y is better - just like the article you linked too and all the other articles that say in a nutshell there is falls in their math and the way they test, etc.  Your desktop disk is sure and the hell not being used like their cluster of drives, etc..

 

http://www.theregist...sk_reliability/

 

What I would suggest is buy the disk that has the features you want the warranty you want at the price your willing to pay.  it might fail next week, or it might run for quite some time with no issues.

 

I have a few old seagate drives that have lasted well over 5 years..  Here is one i still running

 

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What was the price of the 2 models you were looking at - what are you going to be using the drive for?

 

You were pretty lucky, that's a 7200.10. Anything since the 7200.11 series was complete garbage (just try searching 7200.11 on google and see the first results compared to your series), not only plagued by firmware issues that made the drive undetectable or unusable (Load Cycle counter bug or LBA-0 bugs) but also of horrible hardware quality, see the many reports floating around. Same for the WD Greens. Currently the most reliable brand is Hitachi, followed by WD (Reds or RE, Greens are still garbage that dies like nothing when used as a desktop/download drive due to obsessive head parking they have). Samsung made the best desktop drives, the fastest and most reliable, then they sold to Seagate. Damn :(

 

BTW The stats in this page say it all.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:07

You people do understand that ALL HDD fail - ALL of them.. sooner or later all drives will fail.  That you had bad luck with brand x vs brand y is meaningless in the big picture.  For every guy you find that says Y fail X is the way to go you will find another guy saying the complete opposite.

 

All HDD's can fail, with Seagate drives it's just sooner rather than later. They're the experts in temporary storage products.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:12

You people do understand that ALL HDD fail - ALL of them.. sooner or later all drives will fail. That you had bad luck with brand x vs brand y is meaningless in the big picture. For every guy you find that says Y fail X is the way to go you will find another guy saying the complete opposite.

Also you need to take your internet info with a grain a salt, for every article you can find that says X drive is better I can find 2 that says Y is better - just like the article you linked too and all the other articles that say in a nutshell there is falls in their math and the way they test, etc. Your desktop disk is sure and the hell not being used like their cluster of drives, etc..

http://www.theregist...sk_reliability/

What I would suggest is buy the disk that has the features you want the warranty you want at the price your willing to pay. it might fail next week, or it might run for quite some time with no issues.

I have a few old seagate drives that have lasted well over 5 years.. Here is one i still running

attachicon.gif5years.png

What was the price of the 2 models you were looking at - what are you going to be using the drive for?

The two drives had a price difference of about $20., The drive is really only going to be used as a backup to a SSD. Just as long as I have a reliable drive, that's all that matters.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:17

The two drives had a price difference of about $20., The drive is really only going to be used as a backup to a SSD. Just as long as I have a reliable drive, that's all that matters.

Nothing from Hitachi or WD at the same price? Comparing drive reliability is pretty easy, just look at the review stats on newegg (only valid as long as there is a decent number of reviews though).



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:18

You people do understand that ALL HDD fail - ALL of them.. sooner or later all drives will fail.  That you had bad luck with brand x vs brand y is meaningless in the big picture.  For every guy you find that says Y fail X is the way to go you will find another guy saying the complete opposite.

 

Also you need to take your internet info with a grain a salt,  for every article you can find that says X drive is better I can find 2 that says Y is better - just like the article you linked too and all the other articles that say in a nutshell there is falls in their math and the way they test, etc.  Your desktop disk is sure and the hell not being used like their cluster of drives, etc..

 

 

Calm down. It's not bad luck, I deal with hundreds of Hard Drives for the Company I work for. In the beginning you can chalk it up to luck but at a certain point you need to form an objective observation, and mine is: Don't buy Seagate. Period. When the secondary point of failure to all our machines -- on average -- is the Hard Drive (first is PSU) than this is an assessment that requires to be made. And that is the big picture.

 

You know how I assess if drives fail frequently? They fail frequently.

 

Have all of my Seagate drives failed? Nope. That's ludicrous, they'd be out of business.

Do more fail than competitive brands? Absolutely. Positively. Without a doubt. By a sizable margin.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:26

I just want to point out that Seagate's have a terrible reputation for failure.

 

My first hard drive was a Seagate ... went belly-up in 8 months.

 

Never trusted them since.

 

I'm a die-hard Western Digital fan.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:23

"Calm down."

 

:blink:  Huh??  And who is not calm?  So you work with hundreds of disks, so like every other person in IT ;)  I don't work in storage directly anymore - but I will ask my storage guys if they feel one brand is better than another, etc.  But to this statement.

 

"Do more fail than competitive brands? Absolutely"

 

So lets see your numbers -- you deal with hundreds of drives, so why are you not keeping stats?

 

as to this "BTW The stats in this page say it all."  Did you read my link - do you want 10 more links that bring up issues with those stats?   And how they were obtained and the conclusions drawn?  You do understand in that article they are still buying seagate drives even after those stats ;)

 

When they talk a bout 4.6 and 4.2 -- you talking 1.5 drives to change the numbers in the other direction in that article..   Those stats don't show it all by a long shot.

 

Back to the hundreds of drives -- lets be clear.. When you have hundreds of drives of type X, and 10's of drives of brand Y -- what brand do you think your going to see fail more often?  Its like nobody ever took a stats class..

 

I am not trying to say that Y is better than X, or Z is the brand to go with - all I am saying is don't get caught up in your drive is going to fail if you buy brand A, buy brand B they are much better!  I am quite sure there are plenty of people that buy brand Z and get their drives DOA, or they fail in a couple of days, etc.   Just like brand x or y..

 

Read the reviews for the drive that article says is the best.. Where do you think the nickname deathstar came from..  I have one as well going on 2.5 years power on hours. Not having any issues with it - smart shows good, scan of file systems shows good, etc.  If you pay attention to your disks, they will quite often give you warnings of failure - and can be replaces before catastrophic failure happens.  Or they could just fail to start one morning - if you store you data correctly then it does not matter when 1 disks fails.  That was clearly in that article linked too as well.

 

The drives have a specific warranty - be it 1, 3 or 5 years..  Does that mean that drive with 1 year will fail at 1 year and 1 day.. No - does it mean it will run for 10 years..  Prob not.  Does the 5 year mean that drive can not fail in 2 days - no..  Just the company does not believe it will to the point that they will replace the drive if it does. 

 

Your using the disk for backup off your ssd..  So in the long run if the drive fails - your not out anything other than your backup.  Which is all likely hood you will still have your ssd, your just worried about failure of both drives at the same time..  So shouldn't be an issue if the drive is warranty for 1 year or 5 years.  What what I would suggest is get the cheaper disk that meets your size requirements - then run it good for a few weeks.  One thing I can tell you from all the years I have worked with disks - going back to when they were 10 and 20MB in size..  If you get a bad disk it is more likely to fail early then later.. So if your going to be using it for backup - run it through its paces for a couple of weeks, if your good then should prob last a while then.

 

But it does not matter what disk you buy - they will all fail in the end, period end of story.  If you buy a disk and don't think its going to fail - then your going to have problems with data loss that is for sure ;)



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 18:24

Budman, I do believe that all HDDs die, but we are basing it off personal use. Not "all Seagates in the world suck." If all/most of our drives fail, we shall say it's bad. I had ~5 Seagates in my life, and they all failed. I have ~15 WD's, all of them work to this day. I had to RMA one, but that was my own fault.