Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Look at it rationally from our point of view. Why do you need me to agree with you? It's perfectly fine to come to a point in a discussion where viewpoints have been exchanged and it's become clear that opinions simply differ. That doesn't mean that one side is rational and the other irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian S. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Why do you need me to agree with you? It's perfectly fine to come to a point in a discussion where viewpoints have been exchanged and it's become clear that opinions simply differ. That doesn't mean that one side is rational and the other irrational. What you are arguing makes no sense, so why keep beating a dead horse? You are also avoiding literally half of my questions. :/ Why do you think it is wrong, after taking into consideration what others and I have said? goretsky 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 What you are arguing makes no sense Look at it rationally from my point of view. Anyway, I'm certainly done here. :D I'm amazed though just how much you got wrong in post #57. I like that! :shifty: Ian S. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohpep Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 out of curiosity...how do you know this? I did not find anything in the privacy statement that would suggest that. It even suggests the opposite to me: "We may combine this data with information that is linked to your user ID, such as information contained in your Microsoft account." Uh that proves nothing. They are saying they may use your Microsoft account data to contact you if they need to follow through on feedback. (for example you suggested a feature, and they want you to clarify, so they use your email, and name from your Microsoft account to address their questions about your feedback submission) The Microsoft feedback tool automatically detects certain actions and prompts the user to give feedback about the actions they just did. This is the real time system, most personal data is stored on your computer, while aggregate data and some specific technical info is sent to Microsoft, along with human feedback. Active. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian S. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Look at it rationally from my point of view. Here is what I see: A person that does not like people collecting data Someone who insists on installing a test-software, and refuses to provide feedback Someone who time and time again, argues that the preview should not collect data Someone who is unwilling to Delete/Uninstall the preview even when s/he disagrees with the terms A person that would like to prove his/her point by saying "there should be granular controls" One who does not take into consideration, that this is a preview being discussed and therefore there was no time and there is no need for granular controls A person that thinks Microsoft is evil to collect data in a preview build that is not released to consumers, is not the final version, is not even for developers meanwhile gives Google and Apple a free pass as well as ******** about it goretsky, 123456789A and Active. 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohpep Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 out of curiosity...how do you know this? I did not find anything in the privacy statement that would suggest that. It even suggests the opposite to me: "We may combine this data with information that is linked to your user ID, such as information contained in your Microsoft account." Here is what you are taking out of context and over worrying about: open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use it for purposes such as improving performance, or enter text, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spellcheck features. File info is generic information about the file to see the comfort level of users when opening a picture, if they are satisfied with the desktop image viewer or if they switch to the metro one, and technical info Typed characters are aggregated to figure out general human behavior. This is what Chrome does too, they send your typing data to Google so they can use Google's more accurate spell checker. Active. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It's not for you! UNINSTALL IT AND STOP POSTING YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT! Done. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted October 7, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Here's a novel idea: Instead of arguing about what information MS is collecting from the Tech Preview, let a tool like Wireshark analyse the traffic coming from a Win10 VM and make sure nothing iffy is transmitted.That said many of you aren't getting the point of the preview to begin with it seems. MS collecting telemetry data in order to know where to make UX adjustments == evil? Hm. Edited October 8, 2014 by Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 MS collecting telemetry data in order to know where to make UX adjustments == evil? Hm. The word 'evil' had been used exactly once in this thread, and not by me. Some people see what they want to see. That's all I'm going to say about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 This went way off topic for my post.. this was just for a LOL.. but, since it's taken a life on it's on.. I'll chime in.. I am using Windows 10 on my gaming computer.. I also do my banking sometimes on this computer.. Hell, I'll even watch some pr0n.. I am not the biggest Microsoft fan and I hate Windows 8/8.1. However, I really like Windows 10, and it is a huge step for Microsoft and I'm excited to use it and give feedback. Microsoft isn't letting just anyone view this information and while I do not have any proof, I'm sure it's encrypted, very well secured.. They are not interested in getting into my bank account, my awesome pr0n collection, or playing my games on steam, or using any of my Adobe Software.. However, they are seeing how I accessed Steam, Pr0n, Photoshop, how long I used it, what how they could make it better. In the end, Microsoft is just trying to make fapping a better experience for you.. They don't care if you're watching girl on girl, or whatevs.. They aren't spying on you. What applauds me is that Microsoft is TELLING everyone up front. However, the NSA has been doing this for years AND doing bad things with the information. Don't be at Microsoft, they are just trying to be a bro and give you a better fapping experience.. Be mad at the NSA, they ARE collection any info they can about you, and not to help a bro out, but to take a bro down. Taliseian, xankazo and Stoffel 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Not surprising that they called out Neowin for its click-bait, seems to mirror the larger issues with its community. Active. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliseian Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Been reading threads like this at other tech/enthusiast sites. People complaining about how worse Microsoft is than the NSA or that "Oh noes!! MS put a keylogger in W10 to steal private info!" Give. Me. A. Break. I'm feel pretty confident in saying that there are very few people, if any at all, who installed the W10 TP that MS, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, or any other governmental agency is even remotely interested in. Trust me...most of us, even those who torrent or watch porn, are not even a blip on the radar screens of any of these agencies. I've been sitting back, popping popcorn, and watching the idiots fall all over themselves with this crap... Very entertaining.... :) What MS is doing here, and what they've openly said since the beginning, is doing what they can to make W10 the best Windows OS they can and they need people to run the OS and do what they do everyday - torrent, game, porn, whatever - so that they can see what works and what doesn't and where they can make Windows better. Chill. Out. T Stoffel and Ice_Blue 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahirh Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This isn't their privacy statement, this is the agreement for using the TECHNICAL PREVIEW RELEASE. Same thing, I don't think you can use the OS without agreeing to the privacy statement. Swiftkey does this data collection as well. They sync it to the cloud with your google account on android. But this doesn't mean they are eavesdropping, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 they need people to run the OS and do what they do everyday - torrent, game, porn, whatever - so that they can see what works and what doesn't and where they can make Windows better. If "torrent, game, porn" is everything you do, I guess that's fine. If you do any kind of serious or productive activity, never mind actual work, you'll notice Lifehacker in the OP actually explicitly recommends against doing "what you do everyday" with it: don't use this Technical Preview for any sort of daily work?we only recommend installing it in a test environment for checking out what's new and giving feedback to Microsoft. For this, and many other reasons, it is not ready to be used as your daily driver. But like I said in the fourth post of this thread: "I wonder how many around here will heed that advice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliseian Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 No offense, but if Microsoft is trying to find out how to improve W10 and you don't use it for your day-to-day activities so it can see what gets used and what doesn't and what isn't working and what can be improved -- then tell me what is the use of a Technical Preview? ...kinda defeats the purpose, eh? For instance, just before this post I was in the Start Menu and I got a Feedback notification asking me what I thought of Live Tiles on the Start Menu. I gave my personal rating and a few sentences of opinion. If I wasn't using this as a day-to-day OS I may never have gotten that Feedback notification and wouldn't be able to give my opinion -- and that's just one example. T xankazo and fusi0n 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 No offense, but if Microsoft is trying to find out how to improve W10 and you don't use it for your day-to-day activities so it can see what gets used and what doesn't and what isn't working and what can be improved -- then tell me what is the use of a Technical Preview? ...kinda defeats the purpose, eh? I don't necessarily disagree. *shrug* That's why I wrote in post #30 of this thread: MS would like to be given carte blanche to retrieve any and all data conerned with someone's usage of their product. I'm not sure that is really tenable, even for a Technical Preview. And it could very well backfire when users as a consequence stop using the product in any sort of realistic fashion. Or to quote +FiB3R: " as others have done, I will run it in a VM, but because of that, I imagine it will get very little use, and therefore much less feedback as a result. " But it's better than nothing, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Have you actually sniffed traffic to see what they record and send, because its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Edited October 8, 2014 by Andrew Praetor and Ice_Blue 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Same thing, I don't think you can use the OS without agreeing to the privacy statement. Not the same thing. It's a Preview Release. If they were doing this with a final release then I understand, but the reason for collecting data is so they can improve the operating system before the final release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) have you actually sniffed traffic to see what they record and send, because its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. No. Plus, like I said, it's already uninstalled. Personally, I'm mostly commenting on their privacy statement, I don't claim that they're doing everything they allow themselves to do. I don't know to what extent they are. Edited October 8, 2014 by Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted October 8, 2014 Veteran Share Posted October 8, 2014 Topic cleaned Stick to the topic, please. Any more detracting and it will be closed. If you can't agree to disagree, simply move on. You do not need to have the last word. Active. 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 No. Plus, like I said, it's already uninstalled. Personally, I'm mostly commenting on their privacy statement, I don't claim that they're doing everything they allow themselves to do. I don't know to what extent they are. Then your arguments are irrelevant. It a matter of when you report a bug, they need to know everything that lead to it. Heck the privacy statement doesn't even say what you claim, only after twisting and interpreting do you get that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidane Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 If you have no solid evidence that they are actually taking your personal data while using the TP then you have no basis for an argument. No one cares about your linking to a privacy statement; backup your statements with proof or carry on :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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