Feds spend $466,642 to study why obese girls have less sex


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So why is that? Would it be an issue that impacts health care?

 

Because if you're obese and want to get laid then you have to up the 'enticement' - "oh, you can have sex with me without a condom, I'm freaky like that!" and some guys are turned on by that idea. Same situation occurs when it comes to gay community where marginalised racial groups will do almost anything for acceptance within the gay community even if it ends up risking their health all to hopefully get some attention paid to them by the same or opposite sex. As to why it it impacts healthcare - it comes down to how does one reach such demographics in terms of a safe sex campaign which reduce the spread of STD's and unwanted pregnancies - both of which add an extra burden to the health system.

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Because if you're obese and want to get laid then you have to up the 'enticement' - "oh, you can have sex with me without a condom, I'm freaky like that!" and some guys are turned on by that idea. Same situation occurs when it comes to gay community where marginalised racial groups will do almost anything for acceptance within the gay community even if it ends up risking their health all to hopefully get some attention paid to them by the same or opposite sex. As to why it it impacts healthcare - it comes down to how does one reach such demographics in terms of a safe sex campaign which reduce the spread of STD's and unwanted pregnancies - both of which add an extra burden to the health system.

 

All of those things happen. But as you mention, it comes down to demographics. Not anecdotal demographics, but you actually have to spend money to study these things with a large diverse sample to get real demographics. What happens in your local gay community may be a minority of how the community at large behaves.

 

The enticement of "no condom" probably sounds good, based on your preconceived notion that heavy women are desperate, but the reality of STDs and unwanted pregnancies would suggest that is just a personal opinion. I think we all know, lots of folks are "freaky" like that. I would also guess that most prostitutes are not obese ...

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All of those things happen. But as you mention, it comes down to demographics. Not anecdotal demographics, but you actually have to spend money to study these things with a large diverse sample to get real demographics. What happens in your local gay community may be a minority of how the community at large behaves.

 

The enticement of "no condom" probably sounds good, based on your preconceived notion that heavy women are desperate, but the reality of STDs and unwanted pregnancies would suggest that is just a personal opinion. I think we all know, lots of folks are "freaky" like that. I would also guess that most prostitutes are not obese ...

 

 

You are also making preconceived notions.

Because we live in a "Perfection based society". My wife and every gal I dated before her was heavy set, and though they may not have more sex than a stick figure, they definately know how to appreciate it more, and usually leads to great lovin.

 

 

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up this in the topic. We are not discussing this in those terms. I also find your comments disgusting from a health perspective. Obesity is just as bad as being a size zero, and its impact on society is far far greater.

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Hope they video tape that. :woot:

I wonder if david attenborough will do the narrative...

 

Also my honest view... fat girls get what they can... I personally would never have sex with a fat girl as I am not sexually attracted to them

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You are also making preconceived notions.

 

 

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up this in the topic. We are not discussing this in those terms. I also find your comments disgusting from a health perspective. Obesity is just as bad as being a size zero, and its impact on society is far far greater.

 

Not really. Just limited demographic regions; Vegas, Chicago and NY ;). Also, it was stated as a guess.

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Not really. Just limited demographic regions; Vegas, Chicago and NY ;).

 

Without a study to be sure as you yourself have said, it is a preconceived notion based on your stereotypes of what a prostitute constitutes.

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I wonder if david attenborough will do the narrative...

 

Also my honest view... fat girls get what they can... I personally would never have sex with a fat girl as I am not sexually attracted to them

 

Depends on what fat is. I think Kim Kardashian is fat, but I'm attracted to her. Wouldn't have sex with her though, the Ray J porn turns me off as does going through so many dudes.

 

There's fat, bbw, then there's obese. Obese is typically defined as 100lbs or more overweight, which isn't that attractive. That's why I'd like to see the definitions used for this study.

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Without a study to be sure as you yourself have said, it is a preconceived notion based on your stereotypes of what a prostitute constitutes.

 

Prostitute and prostitution are well defined. A consensus has been reached worldwide and all are synonymous with:

 

pros?ti?tute
?pr?st??t(y)o?ot/  
noun
noun: prostitute; plural noun: prostitutes
  1. 1.
    a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
    synonyms: call girl, ######; More
    informalhooker;
    working girl, lady of the evening, streetwalker, member of the oldest profession, moll, fille de joie, escort, courtesan, hustler;
    ho;
    datedtart, scarlet woman, camp follower, cocotte, strumpet, harlot, trollop, woman of ill repute, wench
    "undercover cops posing as prostitutes"
    • a person who misuses their talents or who sacrifices their self-respect for the sake of personal or financial gain.
      "careerist political prostitutes"
verb
verb: prostitute; 3rd person present: prostitutes; past tense: prostituted; past participle: prostituted; gerund or present participle: prostituting
  1. 1.
    offer (someone, typically a woman) for sexual activity in exchange for payment.
    "although she was paid $15 to join a man at his table, she never prostituted herself"
     

Behavior on the other hand, must be studied in a scientific manner.

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I wonder if david attenborough will do the narrative...

 

Also my honest view... fat girls get what they can... I personally would never have sex with a fat girl as I am not sexually attracted to them

david attenborough would be awesome.

 

 

 

i have being with a few overweight girls, sure,  but they were teens or very very early twentees.      its called baby fat, add it is not soggy at all, it is firm and amazing to touch.

problem is, after they reach 20-22 it is all downhill, the fat is not firm and bouncy, it becomes all handing down and ugly.

 

i don't think an attractive obese body exists on anyone over 22 years old.     that is why they have less sex!

 

 

 

can i get that money now???

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Prostitute and prostitution are well defined. A consensus has been reached worldwide and all are synonymous with:

 

pros?ti?tute
?pr?st??t(y)o?ot/
noun
noun: prostitute; plural noun: prostitutes
  1. 1.
    a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
    synonyms: call girl, ######; More
    informalhooker;
    working girl, lady of the evening, streetwalker, member of the oldest profession, moll, fille de joie, escort, courtesan, hustler;
    ho;
    datedtart, scarlet woman, camp follower, cocotte, strumpet, harlot, trollop, woman of ill repute, wench
    "undercover cops posing as prostitutes"
    • a person who misuses their talents or who sacrifices their self-respect for the sake of personal or financial gain.
      "careerist political prostitutes"
verb
verb: prostitute; 3rd person present: prostitutes; past tense: prostituted; past participle: prostituted; gerund or present participle: prostituting
  1. 1.
    offer (someone, typically a woman) for sexual activity in exchange for payment.
    "although she was paid $15 to join a man at his table, she never prostituted herself"
     

Behavior on the other hand, must be studied in a scientific manner.

 

 

Your right its well defined, however I dont see that it says they are mostly not fat in there. Again, preconceived notion.

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Your right its well defined, however I dont see that it says they are mostly not fat in there. Again, preconceived notion.

 

Oh, back to my guess that most prostitutes are not obese. It's what I said it was, a guess. A educated guess IMO, based on a wide range of demographics from observing prostitutes and call-girls in the cities I've mentioned. As opposed to a baseless notion states as fact about gays in general, and fat girls in general. Particularly when known facts directly contradict those notions. Known fact that I mentioned such as known STD rates, known unwanted pregnancy rates affecting the entire population, and known sexual freakiness of all Americans, myself included and I'm not obese nor are the freaky women I freak with.

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You are also making preconceived notions.

 

 

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up this in the topic. We are not discussing this in those terms. I also find your comments disgusting from a health perspective. Obesity is just as bad as being a size zero, and its impact on society is far far greater.

 

 

Clealry you have never been with a big gal... Quality over Quantity lol

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Clealry you have never been with a big gal... Quality over Quantity lol

 

Haha, I am not too ashamed to admit that I have been with one. The health care worker comes out in me though when I hear statements justifying being overweight. I take no issue with smokers and those that are overweight as I used to be both and occasionally still smoke a cigar. But there is a difference between not discriminating against those who smoke and are obese, and those who try to justify either.

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There's fat, bbw, then there's obese. Obese is typically defined as 100lbs or more overweight, which isn't that attractive. That's why I'd like to see the definitions used for this study.

 

There are several classifications of obesity, and what you're describing would be called "morbid obesity" and it is typically coupled with a diagnosis of obesity-related health problems such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. Technically, anyone who has a body mass index (BMI) that exceeds 30 would be considered obese. For reference, a man who is 6' 2" and weighs 235 lbs. would be obese. A normal weight at that height would be around 180 lbs. and overweight would be at around 195 lbs.

 

One problem with those classifications is that BMI values deal with statistical averages. They're useful when applied to large groups of people, and not so much with individuals. But when you're into the class II and class III ranges of obesity based on BMI, that person is unquestionably obese. In any case, I suspect that by "obese" they mean that the group of women being studied has a BMI >= 30. If the woman is 5' 4", she would be considered obese if she's over 175 lbs (normal weight would be around 120-130 lbs)

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There are several classifications of obesity, and what you're describing would be called "morbid obesity" and it is typically coupled with a diagnosis of obesity-related health problems such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. Technically, anyone who has a body mass index (BMI) that exceeds 30 would be considered obese. For reference, a man who is 6' 2" and weighs 235 lbs. would be obese. A normal weight at that height would be around 180 lbs. and overweight would be at around 195 lbs.

 

One problem with those classifications is that BMI values deal with statistical averages. They're useful when applied to large groups of people, and not so much with individuals. But when you're into the class II and class III ranges of obesity based on BMI, that person is unquestionably obese. In any case, I suspect that by "obese" they mean that the group of women being studied has a BMI >= 30. If the woman is 5' 4", she would be considered obese if she's over 175 lbs (normal weight would be around 120-130 lbs)

 

The BMI also fails for those who are athletically fit with low body fat.

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Every kid on our high school football team would have massively failed BMI, especially the defensive line which averaged over 250 lbs. Every single one was solid as a rock and most still are.

 

DocM, football players are not healthy and are overweight. Even if you don't take BMI into the equation, it is known that they are overweight and many die from it before reaching age 50.

 

http://breakingmuscle.com/sports/football-s-big-men-fit-or-fat

 

 

The researchers found significant differences between positions, regardless of playing level. The average body fat percentage for linemen was 24.8%, compared to 15.3% for athletic positions and 12.1% for skilled positions. 6.8% of the sample population had three or more markers of metabolic syndrome, and 92.3% of those were linemen. To put these numbers in context, though, as many as 34% of U.S. adults over twenty years of age have three or more markers for metabolic syndrome. As many as 16% of teenage boys are obese. The prevalence of metabolic syndrome among players in the study was comparable to or lower than among their non-athletic peers.

 

 

 

The average body fat percentage for high school linemen was 26.1%, 

 

 

to put this in perspective, the average non athlete US male is 23% body fat. That means these football players are even fatter than the average american. Muscle mass by itself is NOT an indicator of fat percentage or health.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2313476

 

"Clearly, these big, fat guys are having coronaries," said Charles Yesalis, a Penn State professor of health policy and sport science....We are finding a number of health issues among these players," Guskiewicz said. "They clearly have higher prevalence of cardiovascular disease and hypertension, especially in the offensive and defensive linemen. And it clearly is higher than in the general population."

 

I understand why many are in denial about health. To quote the Nurse practitioner in charge of the wound clinic at a local hospital given in lecture about diabetic wounds "It is common for patients to deny their role in the development of their etiology's" but if you want to go down a path of continually arguing this point, I suggest you start a threat dedicated to health and fitness and have it pinned.

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The BMI also fails for those who are athletically fit with low body fat.

 

This is very true, which is why at my hospital we measure both BMI and waist to hip ratio. Both together give an accurate picture and are reflected almost universally in expected lab work.

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This is very true, which is why at my hospital we measure both BMI and waist to hip ratio. Both together give an accurate picture and are reflected almost universally in expected lab work.

 

Yeah, multiple methods are the way to go, though nothing beats an individual blood test and fitness test.

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DocM, football players are not healthy and are overweight. Even if you don't take BMI into the equation, it is known that they are overweight and many die from it before reaching age 50.

 

http://breakingmuscle.com/sports/football-s-big-men-fit-or-fat

 

 

 

Because of positions you can't generalize. Linemen are one thing, and many are overweight, though to be 330+ pounds and run a sub 5 second 40, and play football is pretty fit.

 

Wide receivers, defensive backs, they're all pretty fit and heavy. Running backs, full backs. Then you have to factor in concussions and the poundings they take in the early deaths as well as steroid and hormone abuse. In general, I'd have to go with DocM on this one based purely on weight vs. health.

 

Shaq played in the NBA at almost 400lbs. He has 22" feet. Granted he's one in several million, but when it comes to athletes they have to be measured as individuals IMO.

 

I think there are many studies showing overweight people who eat well and exercise are often healthier than those of ideal weight who do not (usually they do not because they perceive they don't have to, IMO).

 

Then you have to look at those who are lighter individuals. I know skinny men and women who are IMO, fat. They have such little muscle mass I personally don't think they are particularly "healthy".

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Because of positions you can't generalize. Linemen are one thing, and many are overweight, though to be 330+ pounds and run a sub 5 second 40, and play football is pretty fit.

 

Wide receivers, defensive backs, they're all pretty fit and heavy. Running backs, full backs. Then you have to factor in concussions and the poundings they take in the early deaths as well as steroid and hormone abuse. In general, I'd have to go with DocM on this one based purely on weight vs. health.

 

I think there are many studies showing overweight people who eat well and exercise are often healthier than those of ideal weight who do not (usually they do not because they perceive they don't have to, IMO).

 

Then you have to look at those who are lighter individuals. I know skinny men and women who are IMO, fat. They have such little muscle mass I personally don't think they are particularly "healthy".

 

The deaths I am talking about in particular were all related to obesity with 93% related to linemen. I am also well aware that most other positions in football are healthy, and the data shows that they are not fat with body fat percentage levels that are low. Interestingly enough they also have normal BMI with the average receiver and linebacker having a BMI of 23.8 and a Body fat percentage of 15.3% making them a healthy weight both by body fat percentage and BMI. So no DocM is still wrong because when talking about other positions played in football the BMI and body fat percentage are within healthy zones.  You cannot say that an overweight person can on average (not the exception), be more healthy than the ideal weight (in this case I am measuring an ideal weight by a person who has a BMI between 18.5 about 25 and a waist to hip ratio of less than .95) with overweight being a BMI greater than 25 and a Waist to hip exceeding 0.95. Show me studies that say this is true. While it is true that a metabolically healthy overweight person can indeed be healthy, it is an unrealistic goal as the majority of all those who are overweight are not metabolically healthy and, in many cases age does not allow you to stay metabolically healthy whilst overweight and the Harvard medical school backs this statement. It is the same as saying a long term smoker who does not get COPD or lung cancer is healthy, while this is true, the vast majority suffer complications. 

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Yeah, multiple methods are the way to go, though nothing beats an individual blood test and fitness test.

 

This is where your wrong, you can only fail the Exercise Electrocardiogram if your coronary arteries are over 75% blocked off by plaque (you can fail from other reasons, but these reasons would be things that would effect you skinny or obese as they are related to genetics and other defects and diseases). Until then, you will pass as your arteries are not sufficiently blocked to stop the passage of blood and cause ischemia. The test your refferring too is useful once the disease has progressed beyond a point of almost no return. This is why these conditions are known as the "silent killers". Also what blood tests are you referring to too? If you mean serum cholesterol then yes that one is an indicator.

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If your referring the fit test we do in the cardiac center, then this is where your wrong. You can only fail the FIT test if your coronary arteries are over 75% blocked off by plaque. Until then, you will pass every time. This is why these conditions are known as the "silent killers". Also what blood tests are you referring to too? If you mean serum cholesterol then yes that one is an indicator.

 

Yes, on the blood. Cholesterol, plus many other things particularly liver, kidney function etc. Not referring to any particular medical test, an old fashioned physical fitness test. If you can do 20-30 minutes of aerobic exercise, then you probably need to move on to the medical tests.

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Yes, on the blood. Cholesterol, plus many other things particularly liver, kidney function etc. Not referring to any particular medical test, an old fashioned physical fitness test. If you can do 20-30 minutes of aerobic exercise, then you probably need to move on to the medical tests.

 

If your referring to a liver panel and kidney function tests then you must realize that for those tests to be off, you must have been in prerenal failure already. The liver for example will function normally until 50% plus of it is non functioning making labs also unreliable in early stages. Cholesterol  specifically LDL levels and blood pressure are indeed the most important tests, but being overweight will eventually lead to these things in most cases and again this is backed by harvard medical school and the american heart association. Also keep in mind that being overweight when young does not always show up in effects on the body until 30+ because the body can take quite a bit of damage before compensatory mechanisms fail causing the side effects. If your ever serious about learning more, most hospitals allow for volunteers on certain units. Seeing the reality of these diseases and the effects of weight in a real world setting is an eye opener.

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