expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I have an interest in computer/network security but don't want to get into the whole development of secure applications as I don't like programming. I don't mind simple scripting, but writing code all day isn't very interesting to me. Where does this put me? Are there any programs anyone can recommend I can take to further my skillsets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 cisco is very prevelant in this area. Look at the cisco training courses and start there. Pick a direction that suites you, there is quite a bit. Collaboration, Data Center, Routing and Switching, Security, Service provider, and Wireless. Here are the expert level certifications, these are not easy and they are not inexpensive to take. This will be your goal, what you do to get to that goal is up to you. http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/certifications/expert/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would start with the Security+. It's the entry level security certification and a minimum for any IT job with the US Government. From there, it's Cisco, Cisco, Cisco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zlip792 MVC Posted January 5, 2015 MVC Share Posted January 5, 2015 I myself interested in this field for future career path. I would start with the Security+. It's the entry level security certification and a minimum for any IT job with the US Government. From there, it's Cisco, Cisco, Cisco! Basically you mean this: http://certification.comptia.org/getCertified/certifications/security.aspx Can someone outside of US, can go for its paper? - Some more relevant to IS/IT Audit and Governance: http://www.isaca.org/CERTIFICATION/Pages/default.aspx - Cousera course of Cybersecurity: https://www.coursera.org/specialization/cybersecurity/7?utm_medium=listingPage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I myself interested in this field for future career path. Basically you mean this: http://certification.comptia.org/getCertified/certifications/security.aspx Can someone outside of US, can go for its paper? - Some more relevant to IS/IT Audit and Governance: http://www.isaca.org/CERTIFICATION/Pages/default.aspx - Cousera course of Cybersecurity: https://www.coursera.org/specialization/cybersecurity/7?utm_medium=listingPage I don't believe you have to be a US Citizen to get it. It's taken through a Pearson VUE testing center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I don't believe you have to be a US Citizen to get it. It's taken through a Pearson VUE testing center. i think he meant the value of the certificate: is it valuable for non us professionals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 i think he meant the value of the certificate: is it valuable for non us professionals? I don't think that's what he was saying, but in either case of course it's valuable. It's definitely an entry level cert, but as far as CompTIA certs go it's one of the better ones to get. It provides you with a lot of fundamental security knowledge that you can then build upon with CCNA Security and CISSP. http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/certifications/associate/ccna_security/index.html?mdfid=284143128 https://www.isc2.org/cissp/default.aspx goretsky 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 - Cousera course of Cybersecurity: https://www.coursera.org/specialization/cybersecurity/7?utm_medium=listingPage Coursera's course requires use of C++. If anything, I was looking at the CCIE. Overall though I don't want to be working with switches for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 Comp tia certs (security+ in this example) holds the same value as the paper you use to wipe your rear. They hold 0 value to the corporate world. goretsky, Praetor and +Zlip792 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Comp tia certs (security+ in this example) holds the same value as the paper you use to wipe your rear. They hold 0 value to the corporate world. I never said he was going to get a job with just the Security+, however that particular cert is a good one to build upon with the other two I mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 While it may get you a good understanding, a lot of what is covered in that test is covered in the CCNA and the MSCE. It is an unnecessary, redundant piece. Go for other certifications that will land a job vs a certification that will grant you access to the john. Stokkolm and goretsky 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 While it may get you a good understanding, a lot of what is covered in that test is covered in the CCNA and the MSCE. It is an unnecessary, redundant piece. Go for other certifications that will land a job vs a certification that will grant you access to the john (and not even the good john, the john that the 3rd shift guys use). Although if you want a job with Uncle Sam then Security+ is not optional. They don't care if you have a CISSP, if you don't have Security+ you don't get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 There are many things that are not optional. I haven't had an issue landing a job without it, albeit local/county government is as close as I get to military. And I would think that a ccie would superceed any security+ cert, then again at that point it is name your price and you go where they need you...government or otherwise (not saying that I hold this, but know one or two that fly out on jets or helicopters to take care of business). Wish I did hold one...I wouldn't mind their pay rate. Intersect 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 I guess the issue will be finding a course that's affordable that teaches the required material. The boot camps I found for the CompTIA certs were a joke. $5k or something ridiculous for 8 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 I guess the issue will be finding a course that's affordable that teaches the required material. The boot camps I found for the CompTIA certs were a joke. $5k or something ridiculous for 8 days. There are plenty of cbts that will get you there. cbtnuggets and testout are a couple that offer this at a fraction of the cost. In person classes cost money. never been a fan of cbtnuggets but a lot of people like them...I am not one to retain things when being talked to. http://www.cbtnuggets.com/it-training-videos/course/ctia-security-plus# http://www.testout.com/home/it-certification-training/labsim-certification-training/security- Just double check that the testout cbt is the current exam being trained on. It may be last years...just checked the current is 401, testout has 301. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intersect Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Although if you want a job with Uncle Sam then Security+ is not optional. They don't care if you have a CISSP, if you don't have Security+ you don't get the job. WHAT? If you dont have S+ then they will not consider you for a job even of you hold one of the most prestigious certification in the IT industry such as CISSP that's like geeksquad refusing you an interview just because you dont have a+ but have MCSE along with CCNA and N+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 WHAT? If you dont have S+ then they will not consider you for a job even of you hold one of the most prestigious certification in the IT industry such as CISSP that's like geeksquad refusing you an interview just because you dont have a+ but have MCSE along with CCNA and N+ It's bureaucracy at its finest. It's the base requirement to touch any government IT infrastructure. In any event, it's a $150 certification and if you hold CISSP I'm sure you could go in cold and pass it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 There are plenty of cbts that will get you there. cbtnuggets and testout are a couple that offer this at a fraction of the cost. In person classes cost money. never been a fan of cbtnuggets but a lot of people like them...I am not one to retain things when being talked to. http://www.cbtnuggets.com/it-training-videos/course/ctia-security-plus# http://www.testout.com/home/it-certification-training/labsim-certification-training/security- Just double check that the testout cbt is the current exam being trained on. It may be last years...just checked the current is 401, testout has 301. Yea. Self study or home study wouldn't work. Since I can't apply what I'd be learning right there as I go, I wouldn't retain it. I need a class with 99% hands on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 With test out you can. They have lab sims to be able to apply what you learn. Cbt nuggets should too. It isn't just read and answer questions. expphoto 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intersect Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's bureaucracy at its finest. It's the base requirement to touch any government IT infrastructure. In any event, it's a $150 certification and if you hold CISSP I'm sure you could go in cold and pass it. your correct, its not like the A+ N+ and S+ are rocket science. the are medicore certifications that help those that want to get into the industry get on the road to a new career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what to start with? I'd prefer to spend the road less paved with me shelling out money for things that won't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 5, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2015 They should all have trials. Try a few see which ones suit you best. Many people like cbt nuggets. Start there, I think 7 day is their trial period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intersect Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 So what to start with? I'd prefer to spend the road less paved with me shelling out money for things that won't help. Comp TIA do have trials of their exams, https://certification.comptia.org/training/certmaster-trial.aspx Also there are some tools such as certblaster that give you a feel for what an exam will be like. While it does not exactly "teach" you anything it can assist in the learning process. but i will recommend www.brainbench.com you will need to pay for it but if you google for a discount code you can get a vastly reduced rate and its valid for one year with access to lots of the courses that are related to your field. they even give you a little certificate at the end but it does not count as a proper certificaiton that you will need to take in a testing centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 5, 2015 MVC Share Posted January 5, 2015 Because of this thread I answered 16 Security+ Sample questions only missed 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expphoto Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 They should all have trials. Try a few see which ones suit you best. Many people like cbt nuggets. Start there, I think 7 day is their trial period. I was meaning if I had to pick one cert right now, what would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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