MightyJordan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Peripheral manufacturer Nyko has announced a new PS4 accessory that will let users replace their internal hard drive with a bigger, cheaper 3.5" hard drive. The Nyko Data Bank is essentially a plastic enclosure that sits atop your PS4 and lets you plug in a 3.5" internal hard drive, which are often much cheaper and support a larger amount of storage space than the 2.5" hard drives currently supported by the console. According to IGN, the company is aiming to release the peripheral for around $30-$40, although a UK price and date has yet to be confirmed. While the method isn't officially supported by Sony, it's technically already possible to use an external 3.5" hard drive by unhooking the internal PS4 hard drive and connecting an external via the exposed SATA port. http://www.videogamer.com/news/new_ps4_accessory_adds_support_for_bigger_cheaper_3_5_hard_drives_2.html Faster, too, as 2.5" HDDs are usually 5,400RPM and 3.5" HDDs are usually 7,200RPM. Anyone tempted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 7, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted January 7, 2015 I saw this on GAF. As others have said you can get a 2TB 2.5" drive for an okay price these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I saw this on GAF. As others have said you can get a 2TB 2.5" drive for an okay price these days. Well, I'll be damned; just found a 2.5" 2TB Samsung HDD for ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Faster, too, as 2.5" HDDs are usually 5,400RPM and 3.5" HDDs are usually 7,200RPM. Anyone tempted? If it works properly people would be silly not to, as it offers dramatically more storage and better performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 7, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, I'll be damned; just found a 2.5" 2TB Samsung HDD for ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian M. Veteran Posted January 7, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think this is a little late. This would have been great with the PS3. 2.5" drives are cheap enough that there's no real need for this (and the performance between 5400 and 7200 won't really make that much difference - not enough to justify having a massive bulge on your PS4 anyway!). I'm getting away with a 1TB 2.5 in the PS3 and PS4. When a 2TB one is available for around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, I'll be damned; just found a 2.5" 2TB Samsung HDD for ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It actually doesn't look too bad. I think the back part should have been angled in, though, to match the PS4s profile. Considering 3.5 drives are usually cheaper and faster, and this add-on is relatively cheap, it seems like a neat option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Here is a 4GB 2.5" SSD - http://www.sandisk.com/enterprise/sas-ssd/optimus-max-ssd/ They are releasing a 8GB version soon also. Woops that should be 4TB and 8TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Asmodai MVC Posted January 7, 2015 MVC Share Posted January 7, 2015 I saw this on GAF. As others have said you can get a 2TB 2.5" drive for an okay price these days. Yeah, you can get a 2TB 2.5" 5400rpm drive for around $120. That's nice and all but that's as high is 2.5" drives go. In contrast 3.5" drives go up to 8TB (though you pay through the nose for it) You CAN however get a 4TB 3.5" 7200rpm drive for under $180. That's double the capacity, and faster performance for just about 50% more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yeah, you can get a 2TB 2.5" 5400rpm drive for around $120. That's nice and all but that's as high is 2.5" drives go. In contrast 3.5" drives go up to 8TB (though you pay through the nose for it) You CAN however get a 4TB 3.5" 7200rpm drive for under $180. That's double the capacity, and faster performance for just about 50% more money. On that note, does anyone know if there's a realistically reachable capacity limit with the PS4 (e.g. doesn't allow any more than 4TB)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Asmodai MVC Posted January 7, 2015 MVC Share Posted January 7, 2015 You can also buy a 2.5" with 7200RPM but I'd personally wait till SSD's of larger capacities come down in price as they are a much better improvement over 5400rpm to 7200rpm. SSD's are 2.5". Here is a 4GB 2.5" SSD - http://www.sandisk.com/enterprise/sas-ssd/optimus-max-ssd/ They are releasing a 8GB version soon also. I don't believe the PS4 supports TRIM or is otherwise designed to support SSDs. The reviews I've seen says the performance gains are spotty at best because most games are designed to load into RAM and stream the data from a 5400rpm HDD in the background. So sure your background streaming will go WAY faster but it's in the background... so it doesn't really effect your foreground play. The only time you really notice it is on initial launch and if you load. For that it's not worth the price difference from a HDD. +E.Worm Jimmy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotBored Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't believe the PS4 supports TRIM or is otherwise designed to support SSDs. The reviews I've seen says the performance gains are spotty at best because most games are designed to load into RAM and stream the data from a 5400rpm HDD in the background. So sure your background streaming will go WAY faster but it's in the background... so it doesn't really effect your foreground play. The only time you really notice it is on initial launch and if you load. For that it's not worth the price difference from a HDD. That is true, TRIM support is not yet supported but its software based on the OS (Sony will need to update the OS to support, not sure if this will happen but hopefully it does). But currently even without TRIM support using an SSD does give improved loading times for games: But for me wanting to upgrade to SSD rather than HDD is mostly because HDD's are being phased out and being replaced with SSD's, the highest capacity HDD is at 10TB atm and 8TB SSD's are already in production. I expect SSD's to pass HDD max capacity by the end of year and then hopefully will lower in price. +E.Worm Jimmy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But for me wanting to upgrade to SSD rather than HDD is mostly because HDD's are being phased out and being replaced with SSD's, the highest capacity HDD is at 10TB atm and 8TB SSD's are already in production. I expect SSD's to pass HDD max capacity by the end of year and then hopefully will lower in price. HDDs aren't going anywhere any time soon. They are going to be around for a long, long time. SSD prices are still pretty high compared to HDDs. I don't know when we are going to start seeing 8TB SSDs at a reasonable price. I don't think I would put an SSD in something like a console. I think that video illustrates that the stock drive is pretty average and upgrading to at least a 7200rpm drive is a good idea. This add-on seems to be a good way to do that with a larger capacity drive for a cheaper price. trooper11 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Asmodai MVC Posted January 7, 2015 MVC Share Posted January 7, 2015 That is true, TRIM support is not yet supported but its software based on the OS (Sony will need to update the OS to support, not sure if this will happen but hopefully it does).I doubt this will happen unless Sony gets to the point where they sell a PS4 version with a SSD in place of the HDD.But currently even without TRIM support using an SSD does give improved loading times for games:I mentioned loads and that video you linked even says the value proposition of SSDs is doubtful.But for me wanting to upgrade to SSD rather than HDD is mostly because HDD's are being phased out and being replaced with SSD's, the highest capacity HDD is at 10TB atm and 8TB SSD's are already in production. I expect SSD's to pass HDD max capacity by the end of year and then hopefully will lower in price.I love SSDs don't get me wrong. I have one in my PC (in addition to a HDD for storage) and I wouldn't dream of building a new PC without one but I don't think it makes sense on a console. I also don't think SSDs will surpass HDDs in $/GB or overall capacity anytime soon. Sure the gap may narrow and sure the some hyper expensive SSD may come close to a HDDs max capacity but for all practical purposes HDDs are still the value proposition for storage and will be for the foreseeable future. On consoles specifically they just aren't geared to take full advantage of the performance so while they are MUCH faster you only actually see that on little edge cases on consoles because of how their software is designed. trooper11 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper11 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I like the idea of this, but I already replaced my drive with a 1TB model. After seeing the performance numbers, I stuck with a 5400rpm drive simply due to the lower power needs and reduced heat added to the inside of the case. An SSD is of course a tempting option, but it simply doesn't offer enough value for the money as it can on a pc. If I was going to use a 3.5" drive with my ps4, I would prefer to just use a usb 3.0 external that can be easily used on more devices than just the ps4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I like the idea of this, but I already replaced my drive with a 1TB model. After seeing the performance numbers, I stuck with a 5400rpm drive simply due to the lower power needs and reduced heat added to the inside of the case. An SSD is of course a tempting option, but it simply doesn't offer enough value for the money as it can on a pc. If I was going to use a 3.5" drive with my ps4, I would prefer to just use a usb 3.0 external that can be easily used on more devices than just the ps4. I am hoping that we get a firmware update for the PS4 soon that allows game installs to external HDD's. Once they do that, I will add like 8TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I am hoping that we get a firmware update for the PS4 soon that allows game installs to external HDD's. Once they do that, I will add like 8TB.Didn't they remove that feature from the ps3 and subsequently wont be available for the ps4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Didn't they remove that feature from the ps3 and subsequently wont be available for the ps4? From what I have read, they have not ruled it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 From what I have read, they have not ruled it out.ok, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyJordan Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Didn't they remove that feature from the ps3 and subsequently wont be available for the ps4? I don't recall it ever being a feature in the PS3 (legally). DrunknMunky 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 10, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 10, 2015 I don't recall it ever being a feature in the PS3 (legally). it was never a feature for either console. Only internal hard drives were capable of game installs. Xbox 360 allowed USB drives, up to certain partition sizes, which was increased over the years. 2.5/3.5" were not supported. PS3 doesn't even have full game installs unless you buy the games from PSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 ok, thanks Here is some small tidbits: http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/11/12/sony-aims-to-improve-storage-tech-and-load-times-on-playstation-consoles-ps4-external-storage-coming/ The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 it was never a feature for either console. Only internal hard drives were capable of game installs. Xbox 360 allowed USB drives, up to certain partition sizes, which was increased over the years. 2.5/3.5" were not supported. PS3 doesn't even have full game installs unless you buy the games from PSN. The Xbox 360 supports external hard drives (2.5 and 3.5) for game installs (as long as it passes the performance diagnostic from the Xbox 360 external HDD setup). So yes, it is a feature for the 360 console. 32GB was the limit though that it would use of the HDD. You could have an HDD connected to every USB port and add more 32gb partitions if you wanted to each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 10, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 10, 2015 The Xbox 360 supports external hard drives (2.5 and 3.5) for game installs (as long as it passes the performance diagnostic from the Xbox 360 external HDD setup). So yes, it is a feature for the 360 console. 32GB was the limit though that it would use of the HDD. You could have an HDD connected to every USB port and add more 32gb partitions if you wanted to each one. Yeah because they treated them as USB drives, not as HDDs, hence the limit. Not in the same way this PS4 accessory or the X1 can use TBs for game installs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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