Trying to allow RDP through 2 routers

[colormegecko]

Hi, I don't have much network experience but I am trying to setup RDP though two routers.  One is a Actiontec DSL modem/router and the other is a Linksys.  The purpose is that I have two IP cameras that I need to be able to view remotely to monitor birthing stalls.  When the first one I got was setup to connect directly to the DSL modem/router, it would knock all other devices off line and cause painful slowness.  That was just with one, with two nothing works but one camera.  So the thought was to put the two IP cameras and a monitoring PC behind the Linksys and have the ability to RDP to that desktop and monitor the cameras on that desktop. 

 

Currently, the Actiontec is using internal IP 192.168.0.x

                  The Linksys is using internal IP   192.168.1.x

                  The PC and Cameras on the Linksys router are using static IPs and port 3389 is port forwarded to the PC address.

 

Here is where I am stuck.  I can access that PC from the Actiontec side of the network so the linksys port forward is working. I port forwarded port 3389 and the Linksys IP from the Actiontec, but have not been able to access the computer from outside the network.  So I believe I am missing something or not fully understanding router concepts.

 

Can anyone shed some light on what needs to be done to get it to work?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

thank you,

Lori

 

[xendrome]

You only need one router to view cameras, you just change the listening ports on the cameras to something unique and then forward those ports from the one router to the cameras.

 

Router 1: 192.168.1.1

Camera 1: 192.168.1.100 listening on 8088

Camera 2: 192.168.1.101 listening on 8089

 

Forward 8088 in router to 192.168.1.100

Forward 8089 in router to 192.168.1.101

 

Access cameras using the single WAN IP on router 1

 

http://WANIP:8088

http://WANIP:8089

 

And of course change the web port in the camera.

 

Now, on past that. You'll just then forward 3389 to your 192.168.1.150 or whatever the static IP is of your desktop running RDP.

[+PeterUK MVC]

Having more NAT routers in your setup does not mean you can port forward the same port twice (Especially for TCP) ideally you want one NAT router.

For two RDP you need to change one of the ports then port forward that port to the other PC and connect by IP:port:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306759
you can if your NAT supports it map external to internal port but the above is better.

[colormegecko]

Xendrome, if I port forward the IP cameras from the Linksys router to the Actiontec network wont that cause the same storming issue I have by attaching them directly to the Actiontec modem/router?  (in case it is important... the cameras are wireless to the linksys router, two routers are hard wired together and the PC for viewing cameras is hardwired to the Linksys router.  There is also two wireless phones, two wireless laptops, a wireless Roku that go to the Actiontec network)

 

[colormegecko]

PeterUK, Ok so if I am understanding correctly, you are saying I need to change the RDP port number on one of the routers or disable NAT on one router?  So I would port forward the PC RDP port on say the Linksys as 10005 to the Actiontec and then port forward standard 3389 from the Actiontec out?

[+PeterUK MVC]

PeterUK, Ok so if I am understanding correctly, you are saying I need to change the RDP port number on one of the routers or disable NAT on one router?  So I would port forward the PC RDP port on say the Linksys as 10005 to the Actiontec and then port forward standard 3389 from the Actiontec out?

You want to change the port of RDP just for better security I might of misunderstood how many RDP you want to setup if its just the one then that makes it simple and putting your Actiontec DSL modem/router in bridge mode/modem mode and having one NAT router your Linksys makes things simple.

[colormegecko]

PeterUK, Sorry if I was not clear.  I cant draw it here, but the only PC I am trying to reach is the one behind the Linksys.  That is the one on the network with the IP cameras.  If I turn the Actiontec into a bridge mode, are the wireless devices that attach to that router/modem open or will anyone be able to attach to it and see what is on it from the internet?  Will the other wireless devices such as the smartphones and Roku be able to use it as they currently are?

 

Internet --------- Actiontec ----------- Linksys ----- PC & wireless ip cameras

                         router/modem      router

[+PeterUK MVC]

The bridge mode in the Actiontec disables wireless or at least it should then your only wireless connection is by your Linksys router.

[colormegecko]

Ok, is there a way to access that PC while the routers are setup as they are with two separate networks?  Otherwise, it defeats the purpose which was to separate the networks because the IP cams massively slow down or timeout other devices when everything is on one router.

[xendrome]

You've got another issue to solve if 2 IP cams slow down the network, using 2 routers/double NAT isn't the correct way to do this.

[colormegecko]

Very possible though don't know what I could do about it... the Centrurylink modem/router could be too weak to handle the load.  Maybe because everything is attaching wireless?  or perhaps because it is 1.5 down and 254 up?  I don't know.  I just know with one camera on attached to the DSL modem/router you could sit on the router page and watch things dropping on and off the network.  Often it was the camera, which required a modem reboot to get it back.  The Streaming service is barely watchable, and internet surfing is torturous.  When I spun up the second camera it killed everything except one camera so no way I could use two. 

 

My thought was to have the cameras on their own network and have a PC hardwired on that network that I could connect to via RDP and view the cameras local on that network from the PC.  This would keep the camera traffic off the internet connection where everything lives. 

 

So is there a different way to achieve this goal or the only way is to set the one router to bridge mode and have everything attach to the linksys?

 

 

[tbarnett]

Setup the router near the camera to be a repeater, then it

[conna]

You might not be able to view the video from the cams going through a RDP session. Better to optimise your network and drop to one router. Connect to webcam directly like others have suggested.

 

Packet storm might have been because the default settings were conflicting or overlapping. 

[colormegecko]

OK, I will try connecting everything to the Linksys, which should be a more robust router and see how that goes.  I will report back   Thank you!!!

[+PeterUK MVC]

Maybe you have a bandwidth limit for uploading which is what you need most for streaming IP cameras over the internet?

[+BudMan MVC]

An IP camera should not be knocking anything offline be it 1, 2 or 100..

 

What specific camera do you have?  Normally you wouldn't need to use rdp either. You would just access the port of the camera with camera software or just a browser.  Also what is your internet connection?  As mentioned if you have 128mbit up or something your going to have issues trying to do any sort of video upload.  What is the internet connection at this location, and when not viewing cameras.. Can you do say a speedtest.net from the location so we can see what bandwidth we are dealing with.

 

And as mentioned you sure do not want to be double natting.  Lets get the basics here.  What camera's are you working with?

[xendrome]

An IP camera should not be knocking anything offline be it 1, 2 or 100..

 

 

Well I wouldn't say that, a Dropcam or IP cam upstream can produce about 512Kbit of data upstream depending on the quality setting/audio on or off to the Dropcam server/client end, he might only have 1Mbit of Upload. It could be saturating his upstream and causing dropouts, like then people don't throttle a torrent client upstream in their client.

[+BudMan MVC]

Exactly.. Its quite possible your saturating the upload if the site only has 512.. is that what you mean by knocking everything off? Locally there shouldn't be any problems. Now rdp doesn't require a whole lot of bandwidth, but if your trying to stream video via RDP, that could cause you problems as well.

Need some basic info to work with. What is the make and model of the camera(s) working with - what is the internet connection to this location. I would not try and rdp to a machine to watch the cameras, even if you had 1GIG up down to the location. Unless the camera's were some ###### usb cameras plugged into some machine for example.

Now you could have issues with the local network if the camera is wireless connected and its slow wifi or near full wifi already, etc.

"t would knock all other devices off line and cause painful slowness."

Really need to know what the internet connection is.. If we are talking something slow like 1mbit up max and other things are trying to use that connection.. Your going to have problems with video feed.. Going to need to set it to the lowest possible resolution and framerate if expecting to use them with really slow internet, etc..