joke 2 IDIOTS, 1 GUN SHOP: Police Officer Suing Gun Store After Shooting Off His Own Finger [VIDEO]

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2 IDIOTS, 1 GUN SHOP: Police Officer Suing Gun Store After Shooting Off His Own Finger
 
A former Kentucky police officer is suing a local gun store after he shot his finger off inside the store in a case of bad gun handling vs. horrible gun handling

[MDboyz]

I don't think it's the cop's fault.  You can put the loaded guns on sale like that.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

Many mistakes happening here -

 

A loaded gun sitting in the display case.

Salesperson neglecting to check gun before handing it over to the customer.

Customer neglecting to check gun.

Customer showing very poor trigger discipline.

Customer pointing gun very wrecklessly around the shop.

 

All in all a display of extraordinary stupidity.

[Rippleman]

Many mistakes happening here -

 

A loaded gun sitting in the display case.

Salesperson neglecting to check gun before handing it over to the customer.

Customer neglecting to check gun.

Customer showing very poor trigger discipline.

Customer pointing gun very wrecklessly around the shop.

 

All in all a display of extraordinary stupidity.

 

but if you ask them both, they will both claim they take gun safety very serious and properly trained in the use of weapons. Also if you asked them 1 week ago if this kind of think could happen to them, they would say "this would never happen to me because i treat guns with respect and follow all pertaining safety angles".

[TAZMINATOR]

Many mistakes happening here -

 

A loaded gun sitting in the display case.

Salesperson neglecting to check gun before handing it over to the customer.

Customer neglecting to check gun.

Customer showing very poor trigger discipline.

Customer pointing gun very wrecklessly around the shop.

 

All in all a display of extraordinary stupidity.

 

That's right...  he shouldn't put his finger on the trigger while checking the gun out.

 

Most stores around here have unloaded guns on the display for safety. You can load it up once you take it home from the store.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Whenever I handle firearms I'm always extremely careful not to put ANY part of my body in front of the barrel, regardless of whether I believe the weapon is loaded or not. Obviously the weapon should not have been loaded but that doesn't excuse the officer for placing his fingers in front of the barrel and pulling the trigger. A police officer who handles firearms on a daily basis should certainly know better.

 

PS - I wonder whether the firearms training the officer received will work against his lawsuit, as while the staff member shouldn't have handed him a loaded weapon the officer should have known better than to place his hand in front of the barrel and pull the trigger.

[Tha Bloo Monkee]

Good thing it didn't shoot somebody else in the store!

[Scorbing]

I don't think it's the cop's fault.  You can put the loaded guns on sale like that.

 

 

I disagree with you right there sir. It is not only the cop's fault, but the store clerk's fault as well. They both failed to follow gun safety rules. The clerk should have checked that weapon before handing it to the officer and the officer should have double checked that weapon when handed to him.

 

The idiot that put that handgun back on the display for sale should be fired for not checking that weapon as well before putting it back in there. How do you not notice if someone puts a live round on a gun in your store? Really?

[Praetor]

i'm quite surprised it did't kill anybody.

[Shiranui]

I don't think it's the cop's fault.  You can put the loaded guns on sale like that.

 

Do you mean can't?

[TechJunkie81]

You'd think a cop would be more careful with a gun.

[Memphis]

While your supposed to ALWAYS check a weapon to see if its loaded or not this officer has a solid case. No one should have to suspect that a brand new handgun in a gun case at a professional gun shop would be loaded. While the cop shares some blame for not checking the firearm, he also did have a correct expectation that the firearm would not be loaded.

[Scorbing]

While your supposed to ALWAYS check a weapon to see if its loaded or not this officer has a solid case. No one should have to suspect that a brand new handgun in a gun case at a professional gun shop would be loaded. While the cop shares some blame for not checking the firearm, he also did have a correct expectation that the firearm would not be loaded.

 

 

New or not, the Clerk MUST always check that weapon before handing it to the customer.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

While your supposed to ALWAYS check a weapon to see if its loaded or not this officer has a solid case. No one should have to suspect that a brand new handgun in a gun case at a professional gun shop would be loaded. While the cop shares some blame for not checking the firearm, he also did have a correct expectation that the firearm would not be loaded.

 

The gun may not have been brand new.  And it would not be unusual for the court/jury to consider the experience of the former police offier in any decision.  In fact the court may decide to "split" the responsibility of each party involved.

 

I have always believed in the rule that you treat a gun as if it is loaded.  No one should expect any less, the potential for human error can never be taken for granted.

[Memphis]

The gun may not have been brand new.  And it would not be unusual for the court/jury to consider the experience of the former police offier in any decision.  In fact the court may decide to "split" the responsibility of each party involved.

 

I have always believed in the rule that you treat a gun as if it is loaded.  No one should expect any less, the potential for human error can never be taken for granted.

 

It probably will end up resulting in a split fault response from the courts.

[Scorbing]

The Four Basic Principles of Safe Gun Handling

 

To help ensure safe practices at home and on the range, make these gun handling principles your own, and they will become natural habits whenever you handle a firearm.  The ADTA observes and enforces these principles at all ADTA events, from demonstrations to dry practice events to live fire events, and we're glad to help new shooters get started.

 

1. Treat every firearm as if it's loaded.

Even if you're absolutely certain a gun is unloaded, still follow these rules for safe gun handling.  You want these rules to be natural habits; holding yourself to them each and every time helps make them so.

 

2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Accept the mindset to always keep your gun pointed in a direction that would safely stop the bullet should it discharge.  At an ADTA event, if you're not on the firing line, your gun should stay holstered muzzle-down, cased, or locked open and pointing down and away from people. If you're on the firing line, your gun should stay pointed downrange, at the bullet trap backstop at the end of the range.  If you will be cleaning or handling your unloaded gun at home, find a safe direction ahead of time -- bullets penetrate floors, ceiling, windows, and walls.  Masonry, a full bookcase, a full freezer, downward (if you're on the ground floor), or even a five gallon bucket of sand may be good options.

 

3. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

You are responsible for the entire path of every bullet you fire from your gun.  If you hit your intended target, the bullet may still continue through.  ADTA live-fire events are conducted at locations with designated bullet trap backstops or berms to help contain rounds to the intended range area; you are responsible for only aiming in directions where you can be assured the bullet will be safely stopped.

 

4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

At ADTA events, when you're holding a gun but not shooting, you'll hear us ask you to "index" your trigger finger.  This means to keep your trigger finger straight, and to raise it up to rest flat alongside the body of your gun.  Whenever you are not on target and ready to fire, your trigger finger should always be outside the trigger guard and resting straight and flat alongside the body of your gun.

[Ryoken]

First step when you handle a gun is always check if it's loaded. This is Gun Safety 101.

 

Does the cop have a case? Maybe. It's beyond stupid to put a loaded gun in a display case. But at the same time, he ignored basic firearm training in not checking the weapon before playing with it.

 

These people are both idiots. Can only hope they learned something, other than a lawyers phone number.

[Scorbing]

Ripleman, I like you because I know you are a good man, but let me tell you this:

 

Both the officer and the clerk were at fault. I own 2 guns. A Ruger SR9 and a Smith & Wesson M&P 45. Whenever I put whichever gun I am using on the table, I take the magazine out and the round in the chamber out. If I go to the bathroom or somewhere else that's away from the table, when I come back, I check the gun again to make sure there is nothing in it before handling it. If I go to the kitchen or outside, when I come back, I do the same thing. Some people may think that's being too paranoid, but you know what? It's better to be safe than sorry. ALWAYS check the gun....Always.

 

Oh and by the way...I live alone.

[TAZMINATOR]

The Four Basic Principles of Safe Gun Handling

 

To help ensure safe practices at home and on the range, make these gun handling principles your own, and they will become natural habits whenever you handle a firearm.  The ADTA observes and enforces these principles at all ADTA events, from demonstrations to dry practice events to live fire events, and we're glad to help new shooters get started.

 

1. Treat every firearm as if it's loaded.

Even if you're absolutely certain a gun is unloaded, still follow these rules for safe gun handling.  You want these rules to be natural habits; holding yourself to them each and every time helps make them so.

 

2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Accept the mindset to always keep your gun pointed in a direction that would safely stop the bullet should it discharge.  At an ADTA event, if you're not on the firing line, your gun should stay holstered muzzle-down, cased, or locked open and pointing down and away from people. If you're on the firing line, your gun should stay pointed downrange, at the bullet trap backstop at the end of the range.  If you will be cleaning or handling your unloaded gun at home, find a safe direction ahead of time -- bullets penetrate floors, ceiling, windows, and walls.  Masonry, a full bookcase, a full freezer, downward (if you're on the ground floor), or even a five gallon bucket of sand may be good options.

 

3. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

You are responsible for the entire path of every bullet you fire from your gun.  If you hit your intended target, the bullet may still continue through.  ADTA live-fire events are conducted at locations with designated bullet trap backstops or berms to help contain rounds to the intended range area; you are responsible for only aiming in directions where you can be assured the bullet will be safely stopped.

 

4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

At ADTA events, when you're holding a gun but not shooting, you'll hear us ask you to "index" your trigger finger.  This means to keep your trigger finger straight, and to raise it up to rest flat alongside the body of your gun.  Whenever you are not on target and ready to fire, your trigger finger should always be outside the trigger guard and resting straight and flat alongside the body of your gun.

 

I always do that. I always keep my finger away from the trigger unless I am ready to aim at the target.

 

Both clerk and officer might have short memory on how to handle the gun safety..  

 

Clerk might say "Oh, I didn't know it's loaded."

 

Officer might say "I should have checked and see if it's loaded. Damn!"

[LaP]

While your supposed to ALWAYS check a weapon to see if its loaded or not this officer has a solid case. No one should have to suspect that a brand new handgun in a gun case at a professional gun shop would be loaded. While the cop shares some blame for not checking the firearm, he also did have a correct expectation that the firearm would not be loaded.

 

I don't think the biggest problem is that he did not check the firearm. The problem is he pointed it and someone (him). The first rule my dad teached me with guns is to NEVER EVER point a gun at someone (unless you intend to shot of course) loaded or not it doesn't matter.

[MDboyz]

Yes I meant 'can't' ... thx

Shiranui, on 15 Jan 2015 - 20:33, said:

Do you mean can't?

[Rippleman]

Ripleman, I like you because I know you are a good man, but let me tell you this:

 

Both the officer and the clerk were at fault. I own 2 guns. A Ruger SR9 and a Smith & Wesson M&P 45. Whenever I put whichever gun I am using on the table, I take the magazine out and the round in the chamber out. If I go to the bathroom or somewhere else that's away from the table, when I come back, I check the gun again to make sure there is nothing in it before handling it. If I go to the kitchen or outside, when I come back, I do the same thing. Some people may think that's being too paranoid, but you know what? It's better to be safe than sorry. ALWAYS check the gun....Always.

 

Oh and by the way...I live alone.

 

I was just bringing up how everyone always thinks of themselves as good-safe-responsible gun owners and yet, people still have accidents even while still claiming a gun doesn't harm anyone.

[The Evil Overlord]

Ripleman, I like you because I know you are a good man, but let me tell you this:

 

Both the officer and the clerk were at fault. I own 2 guns. A Ruger SR9 and a Smith & Wesson M&P 45. Whenever I put whichever gun I am using on the table, I take the magazine out and the round in the chamber out. If I go to the bathroom or somewhere else that's away from the table, when I come back, I check the gun again to make sure there is nothing in it before handling it. If I go to the kitchen or outside, when I come back, I do the same thing. Some people may think that's being too paranoid, but you know what? It's better to be safe than sorry. ALWAYS check the gun....Always.

 

Oh and by the way...I live alone.

Never be too careful, those mischievous ghosts could have reloaded it for you, always test dry firing with it pointing at your genitals, just to be safe

[Skiver Veteran]

Thread Cleaned - Lets try and be a little more respectful when discussing different opinions.

[sc302 Veteran]

Technically it is the gun shops fault, if we are looking to put blame on someone. 

 

Regardless if the customer should know or should not know, the gun shop should always assume that the customer knows nothing and that the person handling the gun prior to releasing to the customer should always check the gun to make sure that it is clear without ammunition as the counter person does not know who held the gun last (when shifts change they do not tell each other that this or that was touched...they sell a product, many people come in touching different things and do different things).  Technically, I do not see a reason that a gun would be loaded in a store.  But, it is better to be safe and practice safety 100% of the time vs wait for an accident to happen..  Now being that the customer was a cop and should have been through many training lessons, he too should have practiced gun safety and check everything before handling the gun being that he didn't see the clerk do it. 

 

It is almost like having a blade/knife handed to you with the blade facing you and you go to grab it by the blade, then sue the owner of the blade for handing it to you in such a fashion where you cut yourself.  Are you that naive to grab the blade esp when you are expertly trained to use a blade?