+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted April 12, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted April 12, 2015 Hi, What is your process for researching hardware or at least drives? I am looking for a 6TB drive and have found not much of a variation on the price. I am talking CAD Canadian pricing and places to purchase. Seems the cheapest I can find is $339 plus tax. Also, anyone here have experience with the 6TB drives, are they worse on failure rates then 4 or 3TB drives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I wouldn't buy 6tb yet. 4tbs are just becoming mainstream. So I would hold off on jumping onto 6tb unless you'll have a spare or backup(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Moderator Posted April 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2015 You can normally get 2x3TB for the same money, can't you? and higher TB has a higher failure rate. Nogib 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctebah Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 2x3TB WD Red in a Synology 2bay NAS on sale is your best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted April 12, 2015 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 12, 2015 I am replacing a 3TB drive that is dying, but also want to increase storage. I guess I could do two 3TBs, but that would leave no open SATA open, which I don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Moderator Posted April 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2015 Buy a PCI -> SATA card... Got mine for like $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124020&cm_re=pci_sata_card-_-15-124-020-_-Product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted April 12, 2015 MVC Share Posted April 12, 2015 Always have backups. Otherwise, I go for the cheapest drives at the price point I want. I only get picky on drives I'm using in non-backup scenarios where speed and performance may be a concern. I'm currently looking at 8TB drives to start placing into my backup storage boxes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted April 12, 2015 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 12, 2015 You are referring to having the storage you want, and then a backup to back those drives up? This is all media, nothing of importance. It's about having lots of storage. It is also a pooled system, if one is dying, I remove and replace quick and easy. So I will try to get two 3TB instead, looks like I can find it for a total of $265 at least, not great I would say but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctebah Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 You are referring to having the storage you want, and then a backup to back those drives up? This is all media, nothing of importance. It's about having lots of storage. It is also a pooled system, if one is dying, I remove and replace quick and easy. So I will try to get two 3TB instead, looks like I can find it for a total of $265 at least, not great I would say but. Check RedFlagDeals frequently and you'll find deals on those drives. 3TB WD Reds are the most popular nowadays, I got two running and never had a hiccup. $265 for two 3TB is a good deal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankajac Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I got an HGST 6TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145973&cm_re=6TB_hard_drive-_-22-145-973-_-Product No problems whatsoever. I would recommend 6TB and plan on eventually replacing my other 2TB drives with these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted April 12, 2015 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 12, 2015 I got an HGST 6TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145973&cm_re=6TB_hard_drive-_-22-145-973-_-Product No problems whatsoever. I would recommend 6TB and plan on eventually replacing my other 2TB drives with these. Yea that drive in Canada $354.99 plus tax and shipping lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I got an HGST 6TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145973&cm_re=6TB_hard_drive-_-22-145-973-_-Product No problems whatsoever. I would recommend 6TB and plan on eventually replacing my other 2TB drives with these. So you approve of this drive because it didnt blow up on installation? "no problems whatsoever" - well I would hope not - its brand new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankajac Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 So you approve of this drive because it didnt blow up on installation? "no problems whatsoever" - well I would hope not - its brand new Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPreston Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 In case it needs to be said don't even think about using these in RAID 5 http://www.raid-failure.com/raid5-failure.aspx The probability of successfully completing the rebuild is 14.7% Praetor 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted April 12, 2015 MVC Share Posted April 12, 2015 While I agree with replacing a drive that would be dying, how exactly do you know its dying? Dod stablebit scanner recommend replacement? Why do you need to jump to double the space of the drive? How old is the drive? How much space do you have for growth now, you need another 3TB? How fast are you growing? Buying disks to have their space sit idle while spending premium for the new toy on the block is not the best plan if you ask me.. At your rate of growth your going to need how much more space in 6 months? Like you said its "media" maybe its time to do a bit of house cleaning and delete some sometime you don't really need. 3TB prob right now is the sweet spot GB per $, quick check around for pricing seems you can get 3TB for about 2.8 cents per GB.. While 4TB are 3.5 ish and 6TB are like 4.1 cents.. Maybe you shouldn't be storing so much media if you can not afford the space and the number of drives you need 12 TB disk is out btw.. drives only get cheaper and faster and bigger.. Buying space that your not going to actually use is just costing you money.. I too have a disk that should be replaced - it is days away from being 6 years old, not showing signs of failure as of yet other than some uncorrectable sector count being 31, but this has not gone up in long time.. And I don't have anything of value on the drive its just junk... I really should pull the trigger on a new disk to replace it.. But again its junk, and don't really need more space at the moment.. BinaryData, +LogicalApex and Draconian Guppy 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I wouldn't buy 6tb yet. 4tbs are just becoming mainstream. So I would hold off on jumping onto 6tb unless you'll have a spare or backup(s). is there some issue with 6TB drives that you know of? No. Should a 4TB vs 6TB dictate that you keep backups differently of your important data? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted April 12, 2015 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 12, 2015 While I agree with replacing a drive that would be dying, how exactly do you know its dying? Dod stablebit scanner recommend replacement? Why do you need to jump to double the space of the drive? How old is the drive? How much space do you have for growth now, you need another 3TB? How fast are you growing? Buying disks to have their space sit idle while spending premium for the new toy on the block is not the best plan if you ask me.. At your rate of growth your going to need how much more space in 6 months? Like you said its "media" maybe its time to do a bit of house cleaning and delete some sometime you don't really need. 3TB prob right now is the sweet spot GB per $, quick check around for pricing seems you can get 3TB for about 2.8 cents per GB.. While 4TB are 3.5 ish and 6TB are like 4.1 cents.. Maybe you shouldn't be storing so much media if you can not afford the space and the number of drives you need 12 TB disk is out btw.. drives only get cheaper and faster and bigger.. Buying space that your not going to actually use is just costing you money.. I too have a disk that should be replaced - it is days away from being 6 years old, not showing signs of failure as of yet other than some uncorrectable sector count being 31, but this has not gone up in long time.. And I don't have anything of value on the drive its just junk... I really should pull the trigger on a new disk to replace it.. But again its junk, and don't really need more space at the moment.. The drive has a bad sector, 1 sector. That is the only thing. It ain't 6 years old, I believe a year or two, but this sector issue has been for quite some time. My rush to get a new drive, is due to damaged and corrupted files I had on a very old server in the past which I do not want to happen again. Having files not work is more problematic to me than losing the data. I know that sounds weird, but as I said, its media, so not exactly important, but its only job is to play without issue. I couldn't really say how fast the data is growing, it does vary. Do I need another 3TB, I would say so. Do I need more than that at the moment, probably not. Also to add, I do have the money for the 6TB, probably an 8TB if I wanted. I just feel like paying those prices is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted April 13, 2015 MVC Share Posted April 13, 2015 1 sector dude? Really, so smart says you have 1 uncorrectable sector?? There is nothing wrong with that disk.. Is stablebit saying it is bad/warning? So what you going to do with the old drive? Send it my way because there is nothing wrong with it!! Mine from 6 years ago has 31, but the number has not gone up - those are not used.. etc.. So you need another 3TB now.. How much space do you have free now in your pool? And there is nothing to clean up? Really you have no movies that are not worth keeping? Bird Man for example - how that BOMB got anything is beyond me.. I couldn't even get through it.. I agree I like to buy at the sweet spot -- best bang for the buck GB/$ Almost pulled the trigger on a disk myself today.. Figured move my 1GB to my junk disk and retire the 6 year old disk.. But then.. No I still have like 1.5 TB of free space - no real need for it.. And could prob even clean up some junk... +devHead and Draconian Guppy 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 My policy - buy cheapest largest drive, I.e. externals. Picked up 5TB for $125. Never use RAID, its terrible. Use parity based backup like snapshot raid in Snapraid. Buying enterprise class WD Red etc for home use is a waste of money. For the same price I can get 1.5 or 2x the capacity and have reliable backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Moderator Posted April 13, 2015 Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2015 Actually, Red drives are about at the same price as blacks... Proof: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=wd%20black&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1%7C22-236-344%5E22-236-344-TS%2C22-236-623%5E22-236-623-TS&percm=22-236-623%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 No free SATA vs no redundancy/backups (especially when you state the drive is dying)... ... yep, I know what I'd pick! Go for a couple of 4TB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 You say you do not have spare SATA ports, considering how many most motherboards have these days seems a bit insane, REALLY hope you're not "backing up" your data to a drive attached to one of those ports, that's not a backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 BudMan has the right idea. After my researching of 6TB drives, which consists of visiting HW Manufacturer websites, places that sell them, and what not. I have come to the conclusion that 6TB drives have a higher fail rate than 4TB Drives do. I was originally looking at building a NAS Drive with 6x6TB Drives, but after my long chat with BudMan, and my research, I decided 6x4TB drives would have a longer lifespan. But he nixed that, and convinced me an ESXi Server would be better. But to answer your question 3 & 4TB drives are best bang for your buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odom Member Posted April 13, 2015 Member Share Posted April 13, 2015 and higher TB has a higher failure rate. How do you figure? Compared to which drives? If you check the datasheets, drives with higher capacities have a higher MTBF. For instance: the HGST 6TB (Ultrastar He6) has 2.5M hours MTBF, and the Ultrastar 7k600 4TB has 2M hours MTBF. . I have come to the conclusion that 6TB drives have a higher fail rate than 4TB Drives do. Same as above, how did you come to that conclusion? You say you do not have spare SATA ports, considering how many most motherboards have these days seems a bit insane, REALLY hope you're not "backing up" your data to a drive attached to one of those ports, that's not a backup How is that not a backup? If he stores the data on two separate drives, does that not classify as backup? So what if both are connected to the same motherboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcruicks Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Back to your original question about pricing and where to buy. try PC Part Picker https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/parts/internal-hard-drive/ Shows pricing history and places to buy, this is great for any component not just HDD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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