Latest Nvidia GPU driver comes with support for linux kernel 4.0!


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Nvidias GPU driver version 349.16 supports now the latest linux kernel 4.0 (the one which you basically have never to reboot anymore because it has live-patching implemented)

i have installed both of them 10 mins ago and everything runs fine.

 

can't wait for your reports on this :)

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I need to get off AMDATI gfx cards...

 

Did you try with the latest proprietary catalyst driver? is that one still 14.10?

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Did you try with the latest proprietary catalyst driver? is that one still 14.10?

 

Yeah, Jack...

 

It's just AMD. They took over ATI Technologies 9 years ago...

 

I'm aware of that. I meant to write AMD/ATI, meaning they are the same company. Just that my 7850 is still an ATI Radeon.

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Yeah, Jack...

 

 

that's a shame :(  they need to pick up their pace in releasing new drivers...

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Ouch. And they said late last year that they would do driver releases more frequently and work directly with the team that works on the open-source AMD/ATI driver so as to make that driver better as well.

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Yeah, pitiful, really. NVIDIA sounds like the way to go. If I ever need a new GFX card, I might go that way.

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Nvidia's Linux support is top-notch. Install the proprietary drivers from the Xorg-Edgers PPA and you're golden.

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Linux has a fatal flaw which is why I left. That and a cell phone interface in which sadly Microsoft copied.

No ABI which means drivers break ALL THE TIME! 8.1 can still run XP drivers for many devices.

How do you know that new Xorg or kernel update won't hose your gui? Nvidia has a hack where it has a wrapper which when recompiled places the new ram addresses maps to older kernel version. That breaks too. ATI? Forget it.

The socialistic aganda to discourage non open source drivers is why you can't run an ATI card. RMS likes it this why to punish hardware companies. End rant

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Yeah, Jack...

I'm aware of that. I meant to write AMD/ATI, meaning they are the same company. Just that my 7850 is still an ATI Radeon.

The AMD Radeon HD 7850 was released in 2012.
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Yeah, pitiful, really. NVIDIA sounds like the way to go.

 

definitely. i have been a sceptic for long time because with ati/amd you had the open source driver working perfectly and could everytime also switch to the propriertary driver which came with the packages even if it was a quite old one.

 

but then: i never ever managed to successfully install the proprietary driver amd offered via their homepage. no matter what i tried. absolutely shocking.

 

now having a nvidia gtx 750 since a bit more than a month. 

- the default open nouveau driver is definitely worse than the default open amd driver. screen resultion would just not go over 1024x768 (amd OS driver did set that up correctly from the start).

- the outdated proprietary driver came with worked just fine however it was outdated! impossible to install linux kernel 4.0 with it. afair it even failed with 3.19x and the latest working was 3.18.3.

 

later on i found the xorg edgers ppa and got a more up2date driver (346.47) which still did NOT run kernel 4.0.

 

now with the nvidia homepage i found out that there is a difference between long lived and short lived branch, where only the latter one get's real updates and the former one only get's security fixes...

 

so since yesterday i run 349.16 and linux kernel 4.0. everything is fine. :)

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Linux has a fatal flaw which is why I left. That and a cell phone interface in which sadly Microsoft copied.

No ABI which means drivers break ALL THE TIME! 8.1 can still run XP drivers for many devices.

How do you know that new Xorg or kernel update won't hose your gui? Nvidia has a hack where it has a wrapper which when recompiled places the new ram addresses maps to older kernel version. That breaks too. ATI? Forget it.

The socialistic aganda to discourage non open source drivers is why you can't run an ATI card. RMS likes it this why to punish hardware companies. End rant

 

- drivers break all the time? i have absolutely no clue where you have got that from, remember most drivers are integrated into the kernel and the only way to maybe break drivers is if you upgrade to a new kernel and some stuff like the GPU driver is not supported yet (see 1 post above which is what happend to me with nvidia driver and kernel 4.0).

however: this i think is already a rather special example. normal user won't even update the kernel manually because he does not know how, does not need it and get's the kernel updated with the other system updates (only security fixes in LTS).

 

using linux since 7 years. never had a driver problem.  yep some kernel did not work properly, however that's no big deal at all and one thing i like at linux. updating the kernel (or better it has to be said: installing a new kernel) does not touch the older one. if the new one does not boot, boot the old one and remove the newer one.

 

- socialistic agenda? oh just go out of that thread please.... :angry:

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Linux has a fatal flaw which is why I left. That and a cell phone interface in which sadly Microsoft copied.

No ABI which means drivers break ALL THE TIME! 8.1 can still run XP drivers for many devices.

How do you know that new Xorg or kernel update won't hose your gui? Nvidia has a hack where it has a wrapper which when recompiled places the new ram addresses maps to older kernel version. That breaks too. ATI? Forget it.

The socialistic aganda to discourage non open source drivers is why you can't run an ATI card. RMS likes it this why to punish hardware companies. End rant

Uhhh.... huh ? :s

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Uhhh.... huh ? :s

 

... Uh do not want a flamewar but the fact of the reason why ATI has issues on Linux is a architectural flaw and yes it is based on ideology.

 

ABI like an API is an application binary interface. When a kernel needs to interface to a device it needs ram addresses and other information. When you recompile a kernel or XORG the size changes so the kernel will reference the wrong ram address. This breaks it.

 

The grandparent went on how the driver is included in Linux. THat is because it is open or he has the free version. Nvidia does a hack to get around this problem solved back in the 1980s by doing a wrapper so when you recompile a kernel the wrapper just redirects it to the correct ram address when the size changes. ATI does not which means your video card can break any time.

 

I switched to FreeBSD which has an ABI in sysinstall for SCO, and early versions of itself last decade for awhile. Solaris does the same thing. Windows since Windows 95. You compile to the ABI and a list of memory addresses that programmers hardcode in with assembly will always be the same.

 

Anyway I switched to Windows 7 at the time and I was so relieved of all the problems with Linux were finally over and I could use a real operating system that didn't break all the time. Not intend to flamewar again but my exwife said if Linux is so great then why does my system with Vista always work? I didn't have an answer.

 

Linus and RMS do not want this as it encourages binary only drivers. In the real world patent agreements require hardware makers to close source this ######. Sorry if that angers the purest but it is the fact and valuable IP is also subcontracted out to other companies who do not appreciate it being released for free. Java is one such example of not being GPL. Adobe wrote the fonts and post script code and did not approve of Java being opensource. RedHat invented IcedTea to rewrite the Adobe code.

 

So if you have an ATI card you will have trouble. Broadcom sucks too and wifi always broke unless I stuck with particular versions of Linux. Debian ones never worked. Again if an ABI was available they would work flawless etc.

 

So Linux to me is a virtual machine project now for work while Windows 7 is the host OS.

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... Uh do not want a flamewar but the fact of the reason why ATI has issues on Linux is a architectural flaw and yes it is based on ideology.

 

ABI like an API is an application binary interface. When a kernel needs to interface to a device it needs ram addresses and other information. When you recompile a kernel or XORG the size changes so the kernel will reference the wrong ram address. This breaks it.

 

The grandparent went on how the driver is included in Linux. THat is because it is open or he has the free version. Nvidia does a hack to get around this problem solved back in the 1980s by doing a wrapper so when you recompile a kernel the wrapper just redirects it to the correct ram address when the size changes. ATI does not which means your video card can break any time.

 

I switched to FreeBSD which has an ABI in sysinstall for SCO, and early versions of itself last decade for awhile. Solaris does the same thing. Windows since Windows 95. You compile to the ABI and a list of memory addresses that programmers hardcode in with assembly will always be the same.

 

Anyway I switched to Windows 7 at the time and I was so relieved of all the problems with Linux were finally over and I could use a real operating system that didn't break all the time. Not intend to flamewar again but my exwife said if Linux is so great then why does my system with Vista always work? I didn't have an answer.

 

Linus and RMS do not want this as it encourages binary only drivers. In the real world patent agreements require hardware makers to close source this ######. Sorry if that angers the purest but it is the fact and valuable IP is also subcontracted out to other companies who do not appreciate it being released for free. Java is one such example of not being GPL. Adobe wrote the fonts and post script code and did not approve of Java being opensource. RedHat invented IcedTea to rewrite the Adobe code.

 

So if you have an ATI card you will have trouble. Broadcom sucks too and wifi always broke unless I stuck with particular versions of Linux. Debian ones never worked. Again if an ABI was available they would work flawless etc.

 

So Linux to me is a virtual machine project now for work while Windows 7 is the host OS.

Dang - I bet you have forgotten more about Linux than I know !

Thanks for the info -

 

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Linux has a fatal flaw which is why I left. That and a cell phone interface in which sadly Microsoft copied.

No ABI which means drivers break ALL THE TIME! 8.1 can still run XP drivers for many devices.

How do you know that new Xorg or kernel update won't hose your gui? Nvidia has a hack where it has a wrapper which when recompiled places the new ram addresses maps to older kernel version. That breaks too. ATI? Forget it.

The socialistic aganda to discourage non open source drivers is why you can't run an ATI card. RMS likes it this why to punish hardware companies. End rant

 

What are you on about?

Supporting open source is a socialistic trait.

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"Socialist Agenda" ... what the hell?

 

I am an Open-Source/Libre Developer. Many people on Neowin.net are Open-Source/Libre Developers. We develop for Linux, true -- but we also develop much of that software for Windows, OSX, iOS, Windows Phone, Android, BSD, etc. And while it is true that most of this software is free, such as Community Projects, Utilities, Abandoned Games that have been Open-Sourced or Libre (meaning "Free") that we work on in our spare time, we usually have paying jobs that take priority, generally which are not Open-Source/Libre -- myself included. More and more, these new applications are being crafted specifically so that porting them to other operating systems will be easy, if not automatically done by the compiler ahead of time.

 

"Socialist Agenda" ... heh. Most countries in the world are Socialist to some degree. Even Canada. Even the United States has elements of Socialism. Where did you think the idea for Retirement, Social Security, and General Assistance Benefits came from? We certainly didn't invent those concepts.

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