Defcon Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Here are the actual improvements I can think of - slightly better window borders, icons, theme, DX12, virtual desktops There are no performance improvements that I can see, and more importantly MS hasn't said there will be any. Win 7/8 had very clear goals of being faster and using less resources which were met, no such thing for Win 10. In fact in many areas Win 10 is much worse and slower - anything involving Metro is slower, and this now includes the Start menu, Settings many things users interact with that now freeze and don't open. The actual OS underneath is still Win 8.1 and it seems 99% of the effort has gone into playing weekly roulette with Start menu, icons, and other trivial stuff, hoping to find something that sticks. I'm pretty sure any actual OS changes have been pushed to Redstone or further, this is nothing more than a band aid. I'm sure the defenders will now be out with the usual 'its not final, it's just a beta, magical internal Redmond builds are much better' which we've been hearing since the beginning, yet are still to see any actual new features. WndSks and neo1911 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted May 18, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted May 18, 2015 This post detailed some of the changes lined up for Windows 10. https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1254494-is-windows-10-faster-or-more-optimized-than-8/#entry596828360 I'm sure the defenders will now be out with the usual 'its not final, it's just a beta, magical internal Redmond builds are much better' which we've been hearing since the beginning... It could help if you clarified what a "new feature" would be, considering that replies to your previous threads akin to this topic have apparently been unsatisfactory and no one has yet managed to describe a "new feature" to you in an acceptable manner. Ian W, Emon and sdrls 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandosis Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, the OS is still in active development so the performance increases will likely come close to RTM and the updates after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted May 18, 2015 Member Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, the OS is still in active development so the performance increases will likely come close to RTM and the updates after. Careful! To much of that common sense and you'll be labelled a "defender"! +Matthew S., Anibal P, Emon and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastasheen Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 What build are you running? You cant possibly be expecting final code performance when major modules are not complete/at different stages with the rest of the O/S. The technical preview program is for users to test and provide feedback to Microsoft. I would guess the preview builds may include checked code which by nature runs a bit slower. Microsoft's Windows and Windows 10 blogs are pretty transparent in regards to all of the features. Final performance/under the hood improvements will be documented closer to release I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Wait, so the loading screen being removed from modern apps so most of them now start instantly isn't imrpoved performance ? This post detailed some of the changes lined up for Windows 10. https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1254494-is-windows-10-faster-or-more-optimized-than-8/#entry596828360 It could help if you clarified what a "new feature" would be, considering that replies to your previous threads akin to this topic have apparently been unsatisfactory and no one has yet managed to describe a "new feature" to you in an acceptable manner. Personally I would have filed his comment under baiting but... Dick Montage and Anibal P 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 This post detailed some of the changes lined up for Windows 10. https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1254494-is-windows-10-faster-or-more-optimized-than-8/#entry596828360 It could help if you clarified what a "new feature" would be, considering that replies to your previous threads akin to this topic have apparently been unsatisfactory and no one has yet managed to describe a "new feature" to you in an acceptable manner. I know about those features and like I said, its just better graphics, virtual desktop etc. Nothing even remotely on the scale of what 7/8 had, e.g. new file system, major optimizations to memory usage, speed, online account integration, and many many more features. I esp love the 'updates will come after RTM' comment because that essentially means the OS is never technically finished and you can never truly compare its features. Is there any evidence for 'performance improvements will come later' ? I've run beta's of every MS OS, there is zero evidence to suggest earlier builds have poor performance and zero reason to suddenly expect massive speedups in the final product. Just take a look at the E7/B8 blogs and see the huge features incorporated vs what 10 has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
count0nz Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Modern Apps work better. then in 8.1 there not Full screen. and Act like a Normal Windows App.. Also The System looks and Feel's better... the All Programs needs some work .. can't seem to sort by Date installed etc. And When you Resize Edge Brower windows like Neowin for example the Website looks just like it looks like on Windows Phone 10. so its a Consistent environment. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I know about those features and like I said, its just better graphics, virtual desktop etc. Nothing even remotely on the scale of what 7/8 had, e.g. new file system, major optimizations to memory usage, speed, online account integration, and many many more features. There are many major features in Windows 10 that you did not mention, such as the Action Center, Cortana, Device Guard, Microsoft Passport, Tablet Mode, Universal App Platform, WDDM 2.0, Windows Hello, XAML-based Start menu, et cetera. It seems that the primary goal with Windows 10 is platform unification. Also, it should be noted that Windows 7 offered none of the items that you listed besides optimizations to memory usage and speed. I esp love the 'updates will come after RTM' comment because that essentially means the OS is never technically finished and you can never truly compare its features. I do not recall anyone making standalone claims that 'updates will come after RTM'; rather, it has been stated that the OS is not complete. I've run beta's of every MS OS, there is zero evidence to suggest earlier builds have poor performance and zero reason to suddenly expect massive speedups in the final product. One can reasonably assume that performance will improve once the product is finished. Stoffel 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggendrop Veteran Posted May 18, 2015 Veteran Share Posted May 18, 2015 Is there anything Windows 10 does better?...one thing comes to mind...community involvement with Win 10 Technical Preview...lots of us testing it, and I may be wrong, but the numbers may be the highest for an MS os yet...this means interest...Cheers xrobwx71 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 it's better at dividing the community between those who love it and those who hate it, does that count? fusi0n, DConnell, Stoffel and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Most OSes, regardless of brand, have been good enough for a while. That said, iterations for the last few years have been evolutionary and have improved computing enjoyability, but not necessarily done any one thing better. The technology jumps like 98 to XP, or XP to 7 are gone, and won't likely return any time soon. Heck, I don't see any real improvement in OS X since 10.8 either other than creature comforts and theme changes. I've not used OS X before 10.4, but I can say the difference since 10.4 have been evolutionary if you don't include the architecture change, which was pretty major. That is probably why its been the same major release version for the last 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1911 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 The only truly welcome feature is being able to resize modern apps on desktop. Few security updates thrown in the mix. Apart from that, there is NOTHING in Windows 10 which will make my already complicated life easier. By the way, I hate the modern UI with passion. It is just not eye pleasing to me. WndSks, dvb2000, SoCalRox and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 The technology jumps like 98 to XP, or XP to 7 are gone We apparently do not talk about Windows Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 We apparently do not talk about Windows Vista. Exactly. XP > Vista was massive. Ian W 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 We apparently do not talk about Windows Vista. What is this "Vista" you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 We apparently do not talk about Windows Vista. I didn't want to get flamed, so I skipped it. Ian W and neo1911 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Exactly. XP > Vista was massive. That is precisely why I brought it up and why I wondered it was not mentioned in the previous post. I didn't want to get flamed, so I skipped it. Understandable. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 It has better security and better battery life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I wouldn't expect performance increases, even when it RTM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nothing even remotely on the scale of what 7/8 had, e.g. new file system, Wait, what new file system did Windows 7/8 have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Wait, what new file system did Windows 7/8 have? Windows 8 introduced ReFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Windows 8 introduced ReFS. Ahh yep I forgot about that. Doesn't really benefit the average user/consumer however, since it has so many limitations for usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 20, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted May 20, 2015 performance WILL improve. there are 2 major reasons that 10 feels slower than 7/8 right now 1. code is in flux and not fully optimized (the obvious reason) and 2. since these are preview/beta builds there is debug code running in the background that won't be there once RTM slowing things down I fully expect performance to be the same if not slightly better than 7/8 once RTM comes around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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