humble3d Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Space mining is now... The House just passed a bill about space mining. The future is here... For as long as we've existed, humans have looked up at the stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaP Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 One step closer to real life Avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted May 25, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted May 25, 2015 <Removed a majority of the article> Please read the guidelines on posting articles from other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+virtorio MVC Posted May 25, 2015 MVC Share Posted May 25, 2015 They'll finally be able to shoot low budget sci-fi horror movies on-location. JustGeorge 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 <Removed a majority of the article> Please read the guidelines on posting articles from other sites. Well, you could also have edited the link to make it clickable whilst you were at it!!! Anyway, the question I have is, what legal right does the US government think it has to 1. Create such a law, and 2. Think it will apply to anyone not a US citizen? This sort of thing needs to be sorted out at the UN level, so that it applies to all space capable nations. SALSN 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Well, you could also have edited the link to make it clickable whilst you were at it!!! Anyway, the question I have is, what legal right does the US government think it has to 1. Create such a law, and 2. Think it will apply to anyone not a US citizen? This sort of thing needs to be sorted out at the UN level, so that it applies to all space capable nations. UN? I think it's more of something the United Federation of Planets would sort out. The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 UN? I think it's more of something the United Federation of Planets would sort out. One would first have to form such an organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnónna Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 see that rock floating a few thousand kilometres just off to the side of Saturn, you all know the one , aye that one, the greyish looking one, right beside that slightly off grey one. that rocks mine. anyone steps foot on it, and they'll have to answer to me, and my potato-gun yah's done been told. trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again Alera and The Evil Overlord 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Alera 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 > Anyway, the question I have is, what legal right does the US government think it has to 1. Create such a law, and 2. Think it will apply to anyone not a US citizen? This sort of thing needs to be sorted out at the UN level, so that it applies to all space capable nations. It's already sorted out in the UN Outer Space Treaty of 1967. While governments cannot claim planets etc. as national territories, commercial exploitation is permitted. If, for example, a company wishes to mine an asteroid, set up a colony etc. the treaty requires the country it operates from to be regulator of and be responsible for its activities. The treaty also permits "non-interference zones" around an activity. Examples are the exclusion zones around crewed vehicle operations and the Apollo landing sites. For crewed spacecraft the zone is about 200 km. In the case of the US, where companies like Planetary Resources and SpaceX are ramping up to such activities, the regulator will be the FAA under the SPACE Act now working its way through Congress. The FAA already regulates spaceports, flight testing, launches and re-entries. The US House has already passed the SPACE Act. Other nations would have to set up their own regulatory systems. Down the line there will no doubt be a need for a formalized system of intergoverment communication and corrdination, StarFleet?, but for now the various Foreign Ministries and the US State Department will have to do. SALSN 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiver Veteran Posted May 26, 2015 Veteran Share Posted May 26, 2015 Well, you could also have edited the link to make it clickable whilst you were at it!!! <snip> Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Happy? No. The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiver Veteran Posted May 26, 2015 Veteran Share Posted May 26, 2015 No. Meh, can't please them all The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Happy? Almost. Can I have a cookie, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggendrop Veteran Posted May 26, 2015 Veteran Share Posted May 26, 2015 One step closer to real life Avatar This is exactly where this could go. Corporate greed knows no bounds.....Gulf "spill", Fukishima "still", clear cuts, abandoned mines, oops..more spills here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills nuclear "mishaps"....here.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and_radioactive_incidents chemical mishaps....here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_industrial_disasters and I have not touched fracking yet.....but to keep this short of a rant, I think we need to address the requirement of a "unified framework" such as DocM has suggested. I have a deep distrust for mega corps being unleashed on pristine environments....look what they have done so far with no empathy...semi rant done...Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnónna Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 If y'all want to waste several hundred thousand bucks worth of valuable fuel and oxygen to come get me, go for it! I've a tactical ballistic potato with your name on it Alera 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggendrop Veteran Posted May 26, 2015 Veteran Share Posted May 26, 2015 mkol and Alera 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnónna Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 In future news...We know have plans for an interplanetary ballistic potato shield being developed by McCain Foods Inc.... pesky Canadians. Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Luxembourg is now getting into the act.... http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/06/04/spaceresourceslu-law-provide-framework-space-resource-utilization/#sthash.0GRQF1Ul.dpuf Quote LUXEMBOURG CITY (Luxembourg Government PR) The Luxembourg Government forges ahead with the SpaceResources.lu initiative by presenting an overall strategy to be implemented progressively for the exploration and commercial utilization of resources from Near Earth Objects (NEOs), such as asteroids. Amongst the key actions undertaken is the establishment of an appropriate legal and regulatory framework for space resource utilization activities to provide private companies and investors with a secure legal environment. The new law will be based on the findings of a study on legal and regulatory aspects for the utilization of space resources conducted by the University of Luxembourg in cooperation with renowned space law experts in the fields of international space law and policy. The comprehensive legislation is expected to be effective 2017 and will guarantee operators the right to resources harvested in outer space in accordance with international law. Space resource-dedicated licenses will be issued under the new law, and government supervision of the activities of operators and regulating their rights and obligations will be ensured by Luxembourg in accordance with the Outer Space Treaty. Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel stated: Simultaneously to steps taken on the national level, Luxembourg will strive to promote a legal regulatory framework on the international level supporting investments and growth opportunities for private ventures targeting the utilization of space resources. The Grand-Duchy aims to participate with other nations in all relevant fora in order to agree on a mutually beneficial international framework. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Economy, Etienne Schneider, commented: Luxembourg will offer an attractive overall framework for space resource utilization related activities, including but not limited to the legal regime. The government will dedicate funding to R&D in technologies related to space resource utilization, in line with our ambition to become a European hub for the exploration and use of space resources. Drawing on its success and proven expertise in the commercial satellite services industry, Luxembourg once again opts for space as a key high-tech sector for the country. Minister Schneider furthermore welcomed Deep Space Industries and Planetary Resources to Luxembourg, two U.S. companies with visionary ambitions for exploration and use of space resources. Both have established legal entities in the Grand Duchy to build up economic and technological substance, with Deep Space Industries having signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Government and the public-law banking institution Société Nationale de Crédit et dInvestissement, while an MoU with Planetary Resources is expected to be announced shortly. Etienne Schneider: We look forward to working with these exciting ventures, as with any other companies both from Europe and from outside of Europe who establish a presence in Luxembourg, to make the vision of sustainable economic development in the space industry a reality. Georges Schmit, Consul General and Executive Director at the Luxembourg Trade & Investment Office in San Francisco, Jean-Jacques Dordain, Director General of the European Space Agency (ESA) from 2003 to 2015 and Dr. Simon Pete Worden, longstanding Director of NASA-Ames Research Center in California serve as high-level advisors to guide the Luxembourg Government. Jean Jacques Dordain is convinced that: The spaceresources.lu initiative is timely, and will epitomize innovation, cooperation as well as competition, while being attractive to entrepreneurs and investors far beyond Europe and the traditional space industry. The arrival of American entrepreneurs illustrates the relevance of the initiative and Luxembourgs triple legacy of mining, finance and space is a guarantee for success. Dr. Simon Pete Worden said: Perhaps the most important aspect of Luxembourgs spaceresources.lu initiative is the excitement it is generating across the world particularly young scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs. Everywhere I go I hear young people ask about these ideas. Recently, entrepreneurs from Poland, Germany, Austria, Italy, Colombia and Mexico contacted me to ask how they can get involved. I come from Silicon Valley but Im convinced that the Silicon Valley for space resources and gateway to an unlimited future of resources for humanity, will be here in Luxembourg. Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I read that headline and got reminded of something that @Raze said to me <modified for this> Space mining is now, We're doing our part, are you? Service Guarantees Citizenship +Raze 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I think developments like the US and Luxembourgh asteroid mining laws speak to the need for a redone Outer Space Treaty, this time with a focus on economic and settlement development rather than primarily arms control as the existing one. The current treaty has been made obsolete by events. Perhaps even a unified policing apparatus: StarFleet? Edited June 5, 2016 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 1 hour ago, DocM said: I think developments like the US and Luxembourgh asteroid mining laws speak to the need for a redone Outer Space Treaty, this time with a focus on economic and settlement development rather than primarily arms control as the existing one. The current treaty has been made obsolete by events. Perhaps even a unified policing apparatus: StarFleet? I would join in a heartbeat. DocM 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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