compl3x Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Refresh my memory. What happened? It wasn't as bad as all the doom and gloom that was said about it if I remember right. Probably depends on who you talked to (or listened too) I guess. I think there will come a time when the government will be shutdown, not because we can't agree, but because there are too many greedy people on both sides of the isle that don't care about what happens with our money. We keep going into debt and nothing ever changes to help with that. Nobody seems to care about it. You can go and read about the consequences of the shutdown for yourself. Why do you need me to spoon feed you? The wikipedia article seems pretty comprehensive. Suffice it to say there are a whole range of services, businesses, institutions etc. which need the government to function. When your government shuts down it isn't simply where all of the politicians go home, have a think, and then come back next Monday. PP isn't the devil and many of the criticisms I've been reading over the last 1/2 day or so seem to be preposterous fabrications which have never been corroborated. It's also terrifying how often that organisation has been attacked by domestic terrorists (arson, bombings, shootings, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted July 30, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted July 30, 2015 They should go all out. Outlaw use of contraceptives. Enforce abstinence only "Jesus says no" education in schools. etc. They would be half way there by killing of PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadEndAccount Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's a bit of a moot point anyway because those who fundamentally oppose abortion for any reason, under any circumstance (rape, incest, pregnancy a serious health risk to mother) would still oppose PP. Did you even read the quoted text: "Most people in the US are opposed to Planned Parenthood's "any age without adult consent, any reason, any time right up to labor" policy on abortion." Meaning that most people oppose THAT policy but are ignorant as to the reason why the policy exists in the first place. I addressed a specific scenario and not abortion in general - please stick to the issue that I raised and don't use it as a way to bring in your own views that have nothing to do with the original post I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 My brain hurts after reading all of the messages.I agree that there should be a health care system thats AFFORDABLE, not free. My mom works in one of those Government funded Clinics. It's abused to high hell. People come in 2 or 3 times a week because they have the sniffles, or they sold all their pills and need an immediate refill. If you aren't working because of a disability (That keeps you from working, bad knees, back, mental issue, then free). As for contraceptives, I'm not sure what to say on that. I would like to say free for both parties, but not everyone is a responsible adult. Then again, I'm not a guy who sticks his honey stick in every honey pot that pops up. Needless to say, I don't want my tax dollars paying for something that should be left to responsible adults. If you have a job, condoms are damn cheap. $3.75 for a 3pk. I don't know what the pill costs but it should be affordable.As for PP, shut it down. It's clearly a broken tool that was meant for good, but people abused it and broke it. Defund it, sack it, burn it. What's the saying "Burn last years crop, till the soil and start anew", meaning start a new one, plan things out, and make sure there are checks and balances. The problem with our government today is the lack of credibility, responsibility, and oversight. Essentially, transparency.As an American, born and raised, I'm ashamed to live in the United States. bguy_1986 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bguy_1986 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 You can go and read about the consequences of the shutdown for yourself. Why do you need me to spoon feed you? The wikipedia article seems pretty comprehensive. Suffice it to say there are a whole range of services, businesses, institutions etc. which need the government to function. When your government shuts down it isn't simply where all of the politicians go home, have a think, and then come back next Monday. PP isn't the devil and many of the criticisms I've been reading over the last 1/2 day or so seem to be preposterous fabrications which have never been corroborated. It's also terrifying how often that organisation has been attacked by domestic terrorists (arson, bombings, shootings, etc.) I'd be happy if politicians went home, and never came back. They are all corrupt and have only seem to make things worse. I've lived through the Government shutting down. I don't remember anything bad happening. It's not worth my time to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Did you even read the quoted text: "Most people in the US are opposed to Planned Parenthood's "any age without adult consent, any reason, any time right up to labor" policy on abortion." Meaning that most people oppose THAT policy but are ignorant as to the reason why the policy exists in the first place. I addressed a specific scenario and not abortion in general - please stick to the issue that I raised and don't use it as a way to bring in your own views that have nothing to do with the original post I made. What the hell!? I was making the point that even though there are plenty of rational reasons why that policy might exist, including your hypothetical, the people who oppose PP usually oppose it absolutely. No exception. Not even incestual rape victims. Additionally, don't tell me what I can and cannot post. I am sure you can ignore me if you want. It's a little odd to ask someone to refrain from expression their opinion on a damn forum. I'd be happy if politicians went home, and never came back. They are all corrupt and have only seem to make things worse. I've lived through the Government shutting down. I don't remember anything bad happening. It's not worth my time to look. If it's not worth your time to look then you shouldn't have bothered asking me to tell you anything about it. You expected me to waste my time on something you had no interest in reading anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 What the hell!? I was making the point that even though there are plenty of rational reasons why that policy might exist, including your hypothetical, the people who oppose PP usually oppose it absolutely. No exception. Not even incestual rape victims. Additionally, don't tell me what I can and cannot post. I am sure you can ignore me if you want. It's a little odd to ask someone to refrain from expression their opinion on a damn forum. If it's not worth your time to look then you shouldn't have bothered asking me to tell you anything about it. You expected me to waste my time on something you had no interest in reading anyway? *hands compl3x a cup of coffee*No more grouchy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) IF the father of the child had a clue, he could have gotten a condom - if not from a pharmacy, they ARE available at any free clinic (most health centers are co-ed, and there are MEN's health centers as well). The funding for men's health is ALSO provided by Title IX. Therefore, there is NO excuse for men, either. Except, how would the father know when he's a 15 years old kid AND the school officials aren't enthusiastic about teaching kids about safe sex? Tonicgoofy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosslover Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Except, how would the father know when he's a 15 years old kid AND the school officials aren't enthusiastic about teaching kids about safe sex? because it's not the school's responsibility to teach children about sex, it's the parents. Just because a lot of school districts offer sex education, that still does not absolve parents of their responsibility to educate their own children about subjects that have no place in school (religion, sex, and others I can't think of now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotenks98 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 While I can understand the whole if you cant feed em dont breed em mindset, the backlash of what happens if they get rid of this is 100000 times worse. Its cheaper to pay for birth control and condoms than it will be to pay for that WIC and food stamps and other social programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 not to insult anyone's intelligence, planned parenthood went by another name or perhaps other names but planned parenthood has gone I'm sure by other names And? They should go all out. Outlaw use of contraceptives. Enforce abstinence only "Jesus says no" education in schools. etc. They would be half way there by killing of PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 because it's not the school's responsibility to teach children about sex, it's the parents. Just because a lot of school districts offer sex education, that still does not absolve parents of their responsibility to educate their own children about subjects that have no place in school (religion, sex, and others I can't think of now). To a degree it is, it's called sex "ed" for a reason. Schools are for education and a lack of sex ed can clearly have an impact on a students life. Parents should have the option to opt their kid out of it but there should always be the option to have an education part of learning for students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) because it's not the school's responsibility to teach children about sex, it's the parents. Just because a lot of school districts offer sex education, that still does not absolve parents of their responsibility to educate their own children about subjects that have no place in school (religion, sex, and others I can't think of now). I don't think teaching human biology and reproduction is the same as teaching religion. I agree about parental responsibility, but let's face facts: many parents completely avoid this topic and then the kid has no information except for rumour, innuendo, or what they've learnt from porn. I agree with mudslag: it should never be mandatory in school but it should be a part of the curriculum, perhaps under the grouping of "life skills" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I don't think teaching human biology and reproduction is the same as teaching religion. I agree about parental responsibility, but let's face facts: many parents completely avoid this topic and then the kid has no information except for rumour, innuendo, or what they've learnt from porn. I agree with mudslag: it should never be mandatory in school but it should be a part of the curriculum, perhaps under the grouping of "life skills" or something. My parents taught me nothing about sex. Let's face it, for a lot of social conservative parents: abstinence = good sex = bad (even if it's safe sex) Edited July 30, 2015 by illegaloperation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonicgoofy Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 They should go all out. Outlaw use of contraceptives. Enforce abstinence only "Jesus says no" education in schools. etc. They would be half way there by killing of PP. Are you actually serious ? If so, what you just said is very moronic..... mudslag 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost5525 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Are you actually serious ? If so, what you just said is very moronic..... Still what they did is simply gross and inhumane. Really? Its not bad enough we kill the baby we have to harvest the organs? I think an organization that does this needs to be shutdown... regardless on your pro-life / pro-choice stance. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Still what they did is simply gross and inhumane. Really? Its not bad enough we kill the baby we have to harvest the organs? I think an organization that does this needs to be shutdown... regardless on your pro-life / pro-choice stance. Id rather see the parts be used to advance science and not a landfill. So no this doesn't go against my stance and I know Im not alone. Tonicgoofy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted July 30, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted July 30, 2015 Are you actually serious ? If so, what you just said is very moronic..... Lets be honest, that is their end goal. Destruction of all meaningful ways to reduce teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and decreasing fun of sex because Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Still what they did is simply gross and inhumane. Really? Its not bad enough we kill the baby we have to harvest the organs? I think an organization that does this needs to be shutdown... regardless on your pro-life / pro-choice stance. Why do you care about what happens afterward? They can turn the fetus into hamburger patties for all I care. (not that I would actually eat them) Tonicgoofy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Planned Parenthood can't shutdown the government. However, in legalese terms, it could have a long lasting effect on Roe vs Wade. Which I despise personally. at any rate, Planned Parenthood is simply a eugenics agency which receives funding (somehow), how?, I' don't know. But defunding PP would be a great idea as the government should NEVER have gotten into funding it in the first place. ok found out how HERE (http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/) Taxpayer Funding Planned Parenthood’s 2008-2009 annual report states that it received $363.2 million in "Government Grants and Contracts." (See page 29.) That’s about one-third of its total revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009. However, not all of that money is from the federal government. Planned Parenthood’s government funding comes from two sources: the Title X Family Planning Program and Medicaid. About $70 million is Title X funding, Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye told us. The rest — about $293 million — is Medicaid funding, which includes both federal and state money. But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. Some states use their own funds under Medicaid to go beyond that. Seventeen states and, until recently, the District of Columbia pay for "medically necessary" abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions. — Lori Robertson and Michael Morse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Planned Parenthood can't shutdown the government. However, in legalese terms, it could have a long lasting effect on Roe vs Wade. Which I despise personally. at any rate, Planned Parenthood is simply a eugenics agency which receives funding (somehow), how?, I' don't know. But defunding PP would be a great idea as the government should NEVER have gotten into funding it in the first place. ok found out how HERE (http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonicgoofy Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Still what they did is simply gross and inhumane. Really? Its not bad enough we kill the baby we have to harvest the organs? I think an organization that does this needs to be shutdown... regardless on your pro-life / pro-choice stance. Wait inhumane? how so ? And I have never heard of them killing babies. And no a fetus in the 1st trimester is not a baby, not a humane being for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) This was what I had more in mind. there was a movement somewhere around the turn of the century to weed out those deemed genetically inferior. But mudslag, that pic is awesome! That's one of my favorite movies. Eugenics according to enccyclopedia britannica (please forgive the two "CC"'s in my link. Wait inhumane? how so ? And I have never heard of them killing babies. And no a fetus in the 1st trimester is not a baby, not a humane being for that matter. that's the debate. but in my case, when my wife was pregnant, we heard a heart beat in the first 3 weeks of gestation. so there is life but we are walking right into the exact debate that was roe vs wade in 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonicgoofy Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) that's the debate. but in my case, when my wife was pregnant, we heard a heart beat in the first 3 weeks of gestation. so there is life but we are walking right into the exact debate that was roe vs wade in 1973 I agree there is no need to get into this, it would be way off topic at this point :P. But Heart beat doesn't equal humane being. It would need to achieve consciousness which doesn't happen until much later. At this point the baby is as alive as a tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Raze Subscriber² Posted July 30, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) There are some major concerns as to the truthfulness and accuracy of the videos. Check this out - http://m.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/ http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419 Edited July 30, 2015 by Raze Stoffel, Tonicgoofy and TPreston 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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